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My wife wants to travel to europe next year, mostly France and Italy and I was just curious about anybodys riding experiance over there. I guess I would have to get a bike while I'm there and was wondering if any one had any experiance with a home/vehicle swap. I have a nice place in Vancouver canada with a bike and car that I would swap for a similiar deal in France or Italy. Has anyone done anything like that or have any idea's about how to go about it. I'm not sure if there are forums like this, or craigslist that you could try to go through to find someone that would like to do something like that. Any and all comments and idea's would be helpfull. It's not untill 2012 that we are thinking about going and it would be for an extended stay , a month at least, maybe more.

 
My wife wants to travel to europe next year, mostly France and Italy and I was just curious about anybodys riding experiance over there. I guess I would have to get a bike while I'm there and was wondering if any one had any experiance with a home/vehicle swap. I have a nice place in Vancouver canada with a bike and car that I would swap for a similiar deal in France or Italy. Has anyone done anything like that or have any idea's about how to go about it. I'm not sure if there are forums like this, or craigslist that you could try to go through to find someone that would like to do something like that. Any and all comments and idea's would be helpfull. It's not untill 2012 that we are thinking about going and it would be for an extended stay , a month at least, maybe more.
I'd suggest you contact TeeRex.. hope I have the handle correct.. Man, he's not been as active on the board lately..

 
Dear Quixote, While my response here does not cover France or house swapping, there is useful information in my article below that may help you out. Over my many years of involvement with BMW Motorcycle Owners of America Club #89 (Past President, Vice-President and Secretary-Treasurer; MOA Member Number 24810) I have led many motorcycle tours of Europe for my club.

After the May 2007 Europe Ride, both my Club and the San Diego Clubs asked me if I would write a tutorial on riding the Alps. So, I produced the tome below and it has been published in many BMW Club Newsletters and the National BMW magazine Owners News. Since I produced this how-to-do-it four years ago, I double checked the referenced links and they are still valid and useful. If you should rent a bike from Mein Freund Stefan, mention that you know BeemerDonS; he will take extra good care of you two!

Here is a direct link to BMWMOA's Global Touring page written by Court Fisher: https://www.bmwmoa.org/ridetour/global_touring/in_europe A wealth of valuable information is at this site.

+1, Gunny on darver's recommendation of Stef teerex51 for information on touring Europe. I rode as Stef's guest on his 10 day tour of the Pyrennees back in 2008.

Incredible gentleman and a walking encyclopedia of local knowledge of motorcycling Europe. Contact Stef here: https://fjrforum.it-wire.com/portal.php [email protected]

Also Quixote, seriously consider becoming a Forum Subscriber to https://www.alpineroads.com I still post there once in a blue moon and they have many members in both France and Italy. Float your bike and house swap proposal to them and you may get a taker!

Alpine Pass Bagging 101 or Riding Les Alpes

Do-It-Yourself Style, by Don Stanley

June 2, 2007

[email protected]

The purpose of my report is providing you, an AZ Beemers, BMWMOA, BMWRA and Fast Tour Riders Group member, basic information to plan your own Alps Riding Adventure.

Accompanying my report is another report from my good friend Uri Schumm detailing the cultural, historical and social interactions that our trip encountered. Think of my narrative as a Clymer’s Shop Manual for the Alps

There are many tour companies providing escorted Motorcycle Tours of the Alps, Beach’s and Edelweiss are two premier companies serving the motorcyclist riding the Alps. You can go to https://www.bmca.com and https://www.edelweissbike.com to see their rates; at a price twice our expenditures.

Our trip consisted of eleven days total, with three of the days being flying days and eight days were aboard the motorcycles. We used https://www.expedia.com to purchase our American Airlines budget tickets, but https://www.cheaptickets.com or https://www.orbitz.com works fine also. Buying nine months ahead resulted in flights of $600; you pay more nearer to flying time.

First hand experience is everything and I heartily recommend Knopf Motorradreisen operated by Stefan Knopf in Heidelberg. His homepage is https://www.Knopftours.com and e-Mail is [email protected] and my use of a 2004 BMW R1150 RT with top case, tank bag, and cell phone-travel service assistance resulted in a fee of $150 a day. If you like the K75 series, he has a fleet of these and they rent out for $100 a day; they are very well suited to the Alps. When you arrive at Frankfurt Rhein Main International Airport collect your baggage and walk down stairs to the train terminal. At the Service Desk are English speaking staff, purchase a ticket for 30 Euros to Kircheim/Rohrbach and Stefan’s shop is 300 yards west of the train station.

We tried to not spend over 100 Euros a night on average for lodging for two people and we easily met our goals. Here’s our easily obtainable routing from Heidelberg that provides a rider with 300 kilometers a day and up to 400 kilometers if you bag extra passes. Augsburg, 2 nights each in Merano and Lake Como, Landeck and Titisee-Neustadt for last night. Here’s some great M/C links for your use: https://www.alpineroads.com and https://www.bmwmoa.org

Day One: From Heidelberg to Ausgburg was a nice blend of high speed autobahn running and cruising the famous two lane Romantische Strasse, the old post road of Rome’s Legionnaires in their far flung colony of Germania.

Autobahn M/C Notes: Never stay in the far left lane except to pass! You’ll either by cited by the Polizei or you’ll wind up as a hood ornament on a Maserati going 250 kilometers an hour. There are speed limits on the Autobahn, but only at intersections of multiple routes or where there’s successive on/off ramps where you are reduced to 100 kph. Construction zones on the autobahn can be reduced to even 50 kph, but typically they are posted for 80. Other than these examples, run that BMW flat freaking out.

Secondary Roads: Euro authorities are lenient on your speed in rural areas, but they will cite you in a second and fine you 100 Euro on the spot if you speed through their towns and villages. Save the blast for the countryside.

Day Two: We rode the Romantische Strasse south to Merano, Italy today and start bagging our first passes. On the way we stopped to check out Bavaria’s Mad King Ludwig’s twin castles of Neuschwanstein and Hohen Schwangau. Here are the passes we nailed on our way to Sunny Italia.

1. Fern Pass, 1209 meters. 3. Piller Hohe, 1558 meters; Note: Piller Hohe is a nice pass because it has hundreds of very tight turns and the road is only 2 meters wide, you have to let another moto squeeze past when you encounter one. 4. Reschen Pass, 1504 meters. We got to ride them in the rain!

Day Three: Using Merano as our base Camp we did some serious Big Boy pass bagging: 1. Timmels Joch, 2509 meters. Note: This is one of the Disneyland E-Ticket pass rides in the Alps and the only one better is Passo di Stelvio, but unfortunately Stilfser Joch was still covered in snow. 2. Jaufen Pass, 2094 meters. 3. Penser Joch, 2214 meters. Last two hours of this day trip were on the Jenesian trail that runs from Bozen to Merano along a track just like Piller running through the villages of Moltina and Avelengo.

Day Four: We had many miles ahead of us to get to Lake Como and some amazing passes to Conquer! 1. Gampen Joch, 1518 meters. 2. Passo dello Tonale, 1884 meters. 3. Passo dello Aprica, 1176 meters. Technical riding!

Day Five: Using Abbadio del Lario as our base we explored Lake Como and the mountains above. We put our bikes on the car ferry at Varenna and were transported to Menaggio. At Carlazzo, next to Lago di Plano, we saw on our maps a twisty little road up to the Village of Cavargna. This road made the Piller and Jenesian tracks look like the Autobahn. Our arms were tired for the rest of the trip after negotiating this incredibly twisty route. We turned back when it turned into a GS track at Saint Nazzaro and returned via ferry to Mandello del Lario to tour the now historical Moto-Guzzi M/C factory.

Notes on Vignettes: To ride the Autobahns in Switzerland and Austria you will need to pre purchase a sticker that you display on your windshield. We avoided the autobahns because Austria charges 7.5 Euros for a ten-day vignette and Switzerland makes you buy a pro rated vignette at four Euros a month per year. Since we were in the fifth month we’d have had to pay 32E.

Day Six: Lake Como and through San Moritz to our day’s nightly destination of Landeck, Austria. Only significant pass today was Maloja at 1815 meters, the road followed the Inn River and it was beautiful; and rainy!

Day Seven: Pass City on our ride back into Germany to spend the night at Titisee-Neustadt. 1. St. Anton Pass, 1284 meters. 2. Arlbergpass, 1793 meters. Flexenpass, 1773 meters. 3. Hochtannberg Pass, 1679 meters. We then rode along the Northern Shore of Lake Constance through Switzerland.

Day Eight: We rode through the Schwarzwald-Black Forest today. Took the secondary passes through Munstertal to the A5 Autobahn, our route back to Heidelberg. Took everyone into France to show them the Rhine River and the river barges going through the canal locks. Afternoon rained like crazy!

We had a fantastic trip with great friends and great scenery to enjoy throughout. The roads are incredible and every turn brought a smile to our faces. Stefan Knopf provided us with motorraden that performed flawlessly.

We did hit a little bit of rain, but all in all we were very fortunate that the longest duration was two hours and mostly it rained at night while sleeping.

Only thing I’d do differently next time is to make use of renting one of Knopf Motorrad Reisen’s K75’s. Solo that’s all you’d need for Alps riding.

If you’ve any questions about Alps Riding, please contact Don at 480-440-4666 or [email protected]

 
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Post your swap question in that country's area on ADVRider.com or on one of the m/c forums for the country.

I know you asked about a swap, but motorcycle rentals are pretty common from most of the Europe's bigger cities and easy with a US m/c endorsement on a driver's license, combined with a credit card. You also don't have the "tail" of worrying about somebody in your house or on your bike when you've committed because you borrowed theirs!

The two things to watch for in renting are TOTAL cost and bike condition. To find a rental, Google for that city. If nothing else, you can call the local BMW dealer and ask a saleman for names/numbers for where you can rent in that city. You mention France and Italy, so I'll relate that both Rome and Paris are easy and have multiple places to rent from. In both, you can take the train from the airport, then walk to a rental place.

Before you borrow or rent, find out that country's insurance requirements online and know what your own policy will pick up. Insurance is typically pretty expensive and when you rent, they will put a block on your credit card to cover a very big deductible. Figure $2500 as pretty much a starting point, then you pay extra per day to lower the deductible. So, whatever the rental rate is, you have to add the insurance cost.

Most of us in the US aren't used to using locks, but they are either mandatory or highly desired in Europe. Ask if one will be provided (typically) or if better to bring your own (rare). A little known aspect in some places is that if the bike's stolen and not locked the insurance probably won't cover you. I typically take my own gear, but most places offer loan/rental helmets (eewww) and other gear.

When you pick up the bike (rent or borrow) REALLY go over it and take close photos of EVERY square inch, plus document it on the rental check out illustration they use to note pre-existing damage. Make sure to get the guy renting it to you in at least one photo. When you turn the bike back in, make sure to take another FULL set of photos, in case the lot boy tips it over just as you've walked away. I know somebody who got a post-rental claim for damage that he insists wasn't there, and think that just seeing me do the photos has made me less of a "mark" as somebody who can be scammed.

Know how to convert psi to bar and have the rental guy SHOW you the tire pressures before you leave. It usually annoys the hell out of them to get their hands dirty but we almost always find at least one tire very under-inflated.

Remember that they still have that $2500 block on your credit card for the deductible? Well, it doesn't usually get released as soon as you leave, like it used to. Now, they keep the block on until they know that your ride didn't result in collecting tickets from speed cameras. So before you go, ask how long until the blocked amount on your card is clear.

Reading through this, it's a heck of a lot easier than it sounds.

Borrowing or renting - have fun. Euro city traffic (esp Paris and Rome) is an eye opener the first time.

 
"I know you asked about a swap, but motorcycle rentals are pretty common from most of the Europe's bigger cities and easy with a US m/c endorsement on a driver's license, combined with a credit card. You also don't have the "tail" of worrying about somebody in your house or on your bike when you've committed because you borrowed theirs!"

+1, Gunny; I am with Checkswrecks on this one, unless it is someone we all know well such as Orestes, I would think twice about swapping with a casual contact.

Checkswrecks has given you some great information. Also, perhaps PM Orestes!

 
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touring in yurrup is easy!

Thing is, its a big area, so you need to consider which bits to focus on exploring...john hermans book is a good start!!

planning is a great part of the tour and gets you in the mood! reckon on max 200 miles perday, less on some of the twisty more scenic bits so factor that in too

look at buying good size michelin maps for routes, "motorcycle routes in the Alps and Corsica" has lots of great routes to try but if you want "safety" of a group then look at tourcompanies but you will be amazed at the warm welcome you get everyone from hotel staff to joe public to other bikers and touring as a couple or single will allow you to interact and experience european way of life rather than the "cocooning" effect of a group

language is not an issue....most places speak some tourist english or sign language and goodwill will get you there!!!ride

traffic goes quite smartly in most places...drivers are more switched on to bikes and expect them to get a move on ( outside large parts of britain and switzerland, german driving standards are excellent altho unrestricted highways can be an experience (being passed by merc, bmws and porsches at 180 mph encourage not staying in the outer lane longer than necessary!italians are all mad, all belgian drivers are out to kill you..the french enjoy a well ridden bike and will often join in the fun...yes, driving styles do reflect national characteristics!)stick to speed limts in towns and villages tho, there are masses of roads outside that you can enjoy..its a big place!

the further east you go the more interesting it becomes....former soviet bloc countries are open and welcoming...former yugoslavia is still a bit of a challenge, check where your insurance allows you ride carefully...Bosnia is usually still off limits altho you can buy local cover for a fee at border but check with rental company first!

security varies from country to country but most places either the hotel will provide a secure place to park or a lock up garage.

in cities its a good idea to chain the bike to something immovable not sure if rental companies insurance require a lock and chain but it is sensible anyhoo

you will not beleive how much you enjoy it...be careful tho' its very addictive!

 
After a rental trip in england/scotland I chose to purchase a Fjr and shiped it to stefans place and keep it there for a few years.

 
After a rental trip in england/scotland I chose to purchase a Fjr and shiped it to stefans place and keep it there for a few years.
Outstanding effort tekebird, Congratulations! I have probably seen your FJR in Stefan's storage garage, that is a perfect solution if you ride Europe often. Bravo!

https://www.knopftours.com/Web-Site/Storage.html Here is all of the information on storing your personal bike at Herr Knopf's.

 
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[Hi Beemerdons,

Actually the bike should be showing up there shortly.....Bought it this winter and made Stefans Spring Container going East......actually did my first iron Butt ride getting it from PA to Orlando

I figured with rentals costing 1000.00/week and then having nothing but a memory,buying was a ghood deal......actually my rental cost me almost twice that due to a poorly designed Honda ST1300 Top Box securing system.......light rash which would have been maybe 200.00 at a body shop for a like new repair....cost me 750.00 for a new one......even after I found a perfect one for 250.00.

My guess......the rental comapny never replaced it.....and pocketed 750.00 of my money

 
@ jack daniels: Great post; super helpful, esp. from a "newbie" to the forum. Plussed you.

Man, I'd like to do what you described here. A little easier getting across the Channel than across the Atlantic, though. :( Well, next life, for sure.

 
I've rented from this company several times. Easy to deal with, wrecked one year, treated us fairly. Ian, Iowa

https://www.biancoblu.com/

PS Europe was "funner" when the EU was worth $0.75. :rolleyes:

 
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