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#221 bramfrank

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:37 PM

Nope. Your bike has the later model ECU where the work-around was implemented.

Now, I found it very interesting that Yamaha has refused to rerplace the ECU in my Canadian '06, which DOES suffer the problem. According to the rep, there is no recall or service advisory in Canada - and my dealer has been unable to find one either.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:41 AM

I have an '09 model, a few weeks ago I was up in the mountains about 6500-7000ft up and my bike ran terrible. It was hesitating and felt like it was missing or running with only 2-3 cyl firing. As soon as I got back down to about 5000ft it was fine. Anyone had altitude issues with a biker newer than '07?

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:24 PM

The ECU issue does not apply to your machine. Only '06s and some early '07s.

Have you got a PC3 or similar on your bike?
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Posted 17 March 2016 - 05:03 PM

 

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:34 PM

So, my 2006 Canadian model has the issue - I am interested if anyone actually received under warranty or purchased an updated ECU for a Canadian model...The US ECU update won't work because of the key chip. I might just buy a new ECU if I was sure it was actually updated.


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 07:57 PM

I think you are out of luck. I don't believe it was ever a recall in Canada and I suspect parts might not be readily available anywhere at this point. You might pick up a used ECU from a junked 2008-12 bike somewhere. I got mine done a number of years ago but my bike was bought slightly used from the US.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:27 PM

I think you are out of luck. I don't believe it was ever a recall in Canada and I suspect parts might not be readily available anywhere at this point. You might pick up a used ECU from a junked 2008-12 bike somewhere. I got mine done a number of years ago but my bike was bought slightly used from the US.

 

 

You cant even do that - according to the shop manual, the ECU can only ever be linked to one dash panel. Once linked, it can't be re-linked to a different panel as a deterrent to parting out bikes. I tried a US recall ECU but no dice.

 

Yamaha Canada does list the part, but I'm wondering if it is actually different than the one I have.I'd hate to order one and find out it is the same part #! I might be better off to just buy a 2010-2012 or a GenIII  and transfer all the farkles over. I have the bike dialed in to where I really like it except for this issue.


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 11:10 AM

I have a Canadian 2006A and had the ECU replaced under this 'recall' in 2012.  I was planning a trip to the Virginia's and Dragon country and had seen this post, I contacted Yamaha Canada and explained that I would be riding in mountains and they gave my local dealer the OK to order it. I don't think I would have received it unless I mentioned mountains. I also got the wiring harness recall at the same time. Local Dealer handed me the parts and I did the install at home.

 

The biggest issue with the ECU was programming the 'immobilzer' so it would work with my keys. Instructions in service manual worked perfect. I kept the old ECU just in case. I'm a bit of a packrat.

 

I would think living in Calgary would be reason enough for Yamaha to agree to replacing the ECU.



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Posted 26 January 2017 - 01:17 PM

Yes, there are a couple of mountain passes that I ride that cause the issue every time...I'll call Yamaha and see what they say. Thanks for the input.

 

I'd be interested in getting the part number off of the new ECU if you have it available.


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Posted 29 January 2017 - 04:27 PM

Canoehead,

 

Had to remove my ECU to get the part#.

 

The number stamped on the replacement ECU is FUA0011   3P6-33   F8T83374 . The part # on the box it came in is 90891-30055 FJR1300 ECU kit,

 

The number on my original ECU is FUA0011    3P6-31    F8T83374

 

I got the replacement in 2012 and my bike is a Canadian 2006 with immobilizer.

 

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:57 PM

To update the thread, in case anyone needs it down the road, I have the same "before" part as ERS: 3P6-31

 

I spoke to Yamaha Canada and they said that there was a service bulletin issued in Canada (no recall) but it expired in Dec 2015. I tried for a goodwill extension but no dice. Bastards.banghead.gif  rtfm.gif

 

Yamaha confirmed that the "ECU kit" number that ERS posted (90891-30055) is correct for a 2006 with immobilizer and that the part is still available for $375 CDN, which is more than I wanted but less than I expected to spend, given the prices on various online fiches list an ECU at around $1k CDN.

 

It's cheaper than plan B which was to buy a newer bike and trade the farkles over and I wouldn't be comfortable selling the bike knowing that it behaves badly at inopportune times.


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 05:53 PM

I live in the low country and never knew I had an issue till the Blue Ridge Parkway. The higher I went the worse it go. An almost identical FJR was with me but a couple of years newer and never had a problem. Got back home, went to dealer, yep my bike was part of the recall. All of sudden Yamaha decided that this recall was over and I would have to pay for the parts myself, WHAAAAT, you have got to be kidding. Called Yamaha customer service myself and made it clear this was not acceptable, amazingly they came up with special clause number XYZ and now it is covered.

 

Back to dealer, he insists that Yamaha says he has to test drive the bike to verify the issue. We live at 400' MSL and the issue only happens above 4000', so whats the point. Nope he has to test drive it. OK, turn over the keys and find out the serviceghuy cant figure out how to ride my AE, well that gives me a lot of confidence.

 

Anyway after 4 weeks of BS it was fixed and a $100 problem has now turned into a $1000 of wasted time and one semi-pissed off long time customer.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people and companies have become.



I live in the low country and never knew I had an issue till the Blue Ridge Parkway. The higher I went the worse it go. An almost identical FJR was with me but a couple of years newer and never had a problem. Got back home, went to dealer, yep my bike was part of the recall. All of sudden Yamaha decided that this recall was over and I would have to pay for the parts myself, WHAAAAT, you have got to be kidding. Called Yamaha customer service myself and made it clear this was not acceptable, amazingly they came up with special clause number XYZ and now it is covered.

 

Back to dealer, he insists that Yamaha says he has to test drive the bike to verify the issue. We live at 400' MSL and the issue only happens above 4000', so whats the point. Nope he has to test drive it. OK, turn over the keys and find out the serviceghuy cant figure out how to ride my AE, well that gives me a lot of confidence.

 

Anyway after 4 weeks of BS it was fixed and a $100 problem has now turned into a $1000 of wasted time and one semi-pissed off long time customer.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people and companies have become.



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Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:02 PM

Since you are still "other or considering FJR," I'm gong to assume you bought yours used. When you did that, you didn't bother to call a dealer and check on the status of any recalls or service bulletins that may affect your bike? Sorry, but you bear a lot of culpability for the problem Yamaha just fixed for you for free, nearly 10 years after the fact.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:03 PM

I have a US spec "ECU kit" that I bought last summer hoping it would fix my problem but it won't work with my immobilizer. If someone needs it, let me know. Might be easier than fighting with an uncooperative dealer or the mothership.

 

When I bought my bike in 2013, I did check for recalls (all were done) but I didn't ask about "Service Bulletins". I didn't even think about them and I am pretty tech savvy. I did read about the issue here (and another FJR owner friend/member here warned me about the issue) but I didn't put two and two together until last summer. My bad and $400 to fix it isn't gonna break me. I will keep it in mind next time I buy a bike, though.

 

I find it interesting that BramFrank couldn't get Yamaha Canada to admit to the problem way back in 2011 but ERS got it done in 2012. Sounds like they only acknowledged the issue in 2012.

 

Since Yamaha Canada is much smaller than Yamaha USA and seems to have different recalls and service bulletins, the recalls and bulletins don't always line up. Knowing about service bulletins saved me $$$ on repairs on my Mazdaspeed but Mazda Canada and USA have the same system. Now that Yamaha Canada has been rolled into the US operation, that situation should be improved. Hopefully the guy who made it a service bulletin rather than a recall lost his job in the merger.

 

I also bought the bike from a close friend who had it serviced at the dealer for the first 7 years of its life and never seems to have noticed the problem - and he was pretty tech savvy, too. It was certainly never mentioned in any of the work orders that he gave me and he never mentioned it on our trips over the years, when he was riding this bike. Unfortunately, he passed away last year, so I'll never know for sure. I'm pretty sure if he knew about it, he would have raised hell with Yamaha and would have mentioned it.


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:40 PM

The thing to remember is that this is not a fix to make it run better at altitude but a fix to enable the fuel system to adapt to CHANGES in elevation. It will still adapt to an elevation change with the old ECU but it doesn't resample air pressure or fuel mix unless there is a significant change in throttle position (1/4 turn?) or cycling the ignition. With the new ECU, it will react to a smaller throttle movement.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:57 PM

All the update did was change the needed throttle input from 1/4 turn to 1/8 turn. Before my dealer just did it during a service, I never experienced a problem, and I have huge elevation changes here. I still don't understand how some of you ride far enough up a mountain to cause air sampling issues, without turning the throttle 1/4 turn.
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 07:43 AM

Yamaha didn't recall any of the Aussie bikes, wasn't a recall and I spent heaps of $$$$ to rectify the fault and prove it.

Finally a few years after and many complaints a great dealer swapped out the ECU and all was fixed, perfect fuelling.

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

Canadians were covered by this bulletin as far back as 2009, Attached is a link to an old thread where several Canucks had different stories from their dealers. but most got the updated ECU.

 

 

http://www.fjrforum....-07-fjrs/page-2

 

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 12:36 PM

All the update did was change the needed throttle input from 1/4 turn to 1/8 turn. Before my dealer just did it during a service, I never experienced a problem, and I have huge elevation changes here. I still don't understand how some of you ride far enough up a mountain to cause air sampling issues, without turning the throttle 1/4 turn.

It's not going up, it's going downhill that causes the issue for me - I ride some roads where you can drop a few thousand feet steeply enough to never go over 1/4 throttle. This makes the bike go crazy lean - since the bike runs lean anyway, it goes into a lean misfire.I really noticed this riding in California this summer. Even if you did go uphill at low throttle, the ability of the engine to handle a rich mixture is much better than a lean one.

 

Over a two week trip through the CA mountains, I did try a few things:

 

1) blipping the throttle occasionally to >50% with the clutch pulled in

2) hitting the kill switch and holding the throttle WFO while coasting downhill every few minutes

 

What I found was that once the bike started running badly, neither of these actions would fix the issue. Only a key off restart would fix it; but if I did one of these two occasionally before the issue was noticeable, the problem wouldn't appear. I suspect that once it started misbehaving, it had already run off the map and couldn't correct itself. A friend (and member here) reported exactly the same behavior on his 2007 in Colorado. YMMV

 

Canadians were covered by this bulletin as far back as 2009, Attached is a link to an old thread where several Canucks had different stories from their dealers. but most got the updated ECU.

 Yet at the top of this page, BramFrank had his dealer and Yamaha insist there was no such bulletin in 2011.....As I said, my friend (and PO of my bike) may have complained and got the same answer as BamFrank but AFAIK, he never noticed the problem. Considering how cautious a rider he was, I doubt he was always over 25% throttle. We once got passed uphill in the mountains by a Westphalia camper when he was leading!

 

I actually wondered if the Canadian bikes just didn't have the issue because the ECU is a different part - but Yamaha Canada obviously did the "Don't ask, don't tell" approach. With the info provided by ERS and my description of the symptoms, they acknowledged the issue immediately - but of course, now they are off the hook financially.


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Posted 01 February 2017 - 02:48 PM

If you check the thread I linked, bramfrank claimed in a post in 2009 there that he was eligible for the ECU but says he refused the replacement. His post above doesn't jive with what he said in 2009. 

 

It looks like Yamaha Canada only responded to owners who made a complaint based on experiencing the issue or in my case having the potential to experience it.