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#41 beemerdons

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:32 AM

Jesu Cristo, El Guapo: Did you have to post that picture of the Tutti-Fruityest H-D that has ever rolled out of Milwaukee, WI?

Que lastima, when we rode to Cabo San Lucas four years ago on our FJR's you had mentioned that you previously had owned a Harley. I thought that was interesting, since I have been riding H-D continuously since August of 1970 and by that trip you had already been with me on a ride where I was on my 2002 FXD Silver and Black Dyna Super Glide Twin Cam 88.

But I absolutely didn't know that you were a Gay Pride owner of the "Boy George" H-D San Francisco Polk & Castro Model!

Back on thread! Mechanico Mark Meadows sent you and I an e-mail yesterday afternoon where he stated that he would let you use his air compressor and air impact tools. Additionally, Mark has the FJR Shop Manual downloaded on his computer.

Off the thread! The kind readers of FJR Forum already think that we AZ "Zonies" are a pack of nut cakes and you have to confirm it by posting your "Pastel Pink Gay Pride and Joy"? Puta la magi, I hope that Senor Montoya hasn't seen this yet!

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 06:40 AM

QUOTE (radman @ Jan 11 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, thats a right purty HD. Really, I like it. No, really.


I agree actually...no really. clapping.gif

Just givin' Greg a hard time - it was too easy. Having met him in Wheaton and Hooterville - thought a little joshing was okay. He's gotta be the admin with the thickest skin considering this thread here...and has a good sense of humor. He also obviously carries the FJR pride far and wide given his IBR finish...so just know he can kick about everybody's ass here when it comes to LD riding...

Sorry about the clutch trouble Greg. Hope yer able to get it all resolved in good time.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (beemerdons @ Jan 12 2008, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The kind readers of FJR Forum already think that we AZ "Zonies" are a pack of nut cakes and you have to confirm it by posting your "Pastel Pink Gay Pride and Joy"? Puta la magi, I hope that Senor Montoya hasn't seen this yet!

Well, you have certainly managed to erase any vague notions to the contrary! huh.gif unsure.gif rofl.gif

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 11:11 AM

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She sure was puuuurty, though....................






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Posted 12 January 2008 - 11:20 AM

personally, I like the studded leather, or whatever you call those gay things... Conchos? rolleyes.gif

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 09:26 PM

BTW Scoot, Let us know how much the dealership charged you for these replacement parts. Just for relative price sharing.



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Posted 08 March 2008 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Nightshift @ Mar 8 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW Scoot, Let us know how much the dealership charged you for these replacement parts. Just for relative price sharing.


Ahhhhh.......my clutch saga from hell that will never end.

Well, clutch is STILL not repaired. And I have put 2,000 miles on the FJR since frying it. It did recover a little bit, as Jestal said it would. As it is now, I cant' give it over about 1/2 throttle, or it starts slipping. Not a problem most of the time, but sure leads to some boring riding.

I have had the replacement parts since mid-Junuary or so, just no time for the repair. angry.gif Replacent friction plates have been soaking in oil now for several weeks. Me thinks they are more than ready. But hopefully, all this is about to change very soon. On Monday, one of my few days off, clutch repair is the #1 priority and WILL be done.

I bought the replacement parts from University Motors (pre price increase).

The following is what I paid, not including shipping. (About $10) It was all just over $150 for everything.

1 ea. of 93306-00304-00 BEARING $8.58

1 ea. of 341-16321-13-00 PLATE, FRICTION $6.74

1 ea. of 5JW-16334-00-00 SPRING, CLUTCH $15.70
7 ea. of 5JW-16321-00-00 PLATE, FRICTION $8.66ea
7 ea. of 2H7-16325-00-00 PLATE, CLUTCH $6.07ea

1 ea. of 5JW-15461-00-00 GASKET, CRANKCASE COVER 2 $6.10

And here's the obligatory photos of said new parts, just itching to get in their and do there clutch stuff:






IBA #327........................ Darksider #52

FJR#1 - The 'Dirty Ol Whore' - 2004 non-abs - RIP @ 226,400 - Gone, but not forgotton.
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FJR#3 - The 'Virgin' - 2004 ABS - 4344 miles, a garage queen - Brundog would be proud!
FJR#4 - The Oregon FJR - 2004 ABS - 65k
FJR#5 - The Bastard POS Gen II - 2009A - 42k

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 11:49 PM

I didn't see a picture of the new Knuter Valve. You ARE going to replace it while you have the clutch out aren't you?

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 06:21 AM

So are you riding bike#2 while bouncing Betty gets clutchified?

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 06:34 AM

QUOTE (wheatonFJR @ Mar 9 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So are you riding bike#2 while bouncing Betty gets clutchified?


"Bouncing Betty"!?!?!!? Now that's funny! laugh.gif rofl.gif

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (wheatonFJR @ Mar 9 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So are you riding bike#2 while bouncing Betty gets clutchified?

Not at all, mister funny-snowed-in-boy.

#2 is currently stored at a friend's house 75 miles away. #1, aka Velvet Hammer, aka The Dirty Ol Whore, aka Playa Dancer, aka Bouncing Betty is my primary mode of transportation since there is no such thing as snow around here. biggrin.gif So repair must be done quickly, and in one shot. Hence the reason it hasn't been completed yet. Just haven't had the time. That will change Monday.
IBA #327........................ Darksider #52

FJR#1 - The 'Dirty Ol Whore' - 2004 non-abs - RIP @ 226,400 - Gone, but not forgotton.
FJR#2 - The 'Hula Girl' - 2004 ABS - 143k
FJR#3 - The 'Virgin' - 2004 ABS - 4344 miles, a garage queen - Brundog would be proud!
FJR#4 - The Oregon FJR - 2004 ABS - 65k
FJR#5 - The Bastard POS Gen II - 2009A - 42k

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 08:49 AM

QUOTE (SkooterG @ Mar 9 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wheatonFJR @ Mar 9 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So are you riding bike#2 while bouncing Betty gets clutchified?

Not at all, mister funny-snowed-in-boy.(who is installing forks, shocks, brakes in the cold unheated unattached garage cold.gif )

#2 is currently stored at a friend's house 75 miles away. #1, aka Velvet Hammer, aka The Dirty Ol Whore, aka Playa Dancer, aka Bouncing Betty is my primary mode of transportation since there is no such thing as snow around here. biggrin.gif So repair must be done quickly, and in one shot. Hence the reason it hasn't been completed yet. Just haven't had the time. That will change Monday.


Thanks for the update Mr. ex-Wheatonite-and-master-of-all-ironbutts. asshat.gif

BTW, no offense or insult meant towards your fine characterified machine. thumbsupsmileyanim.gif


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Posted 09 March 2008 - 09:48 AM

QUOTE (SkooterG @ Mar 9 2008, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1 ea. of 341-16321-13-00 PLATE, FRICTION $6.74

7 ea. of 2H7-16325-00-00 PLATE, CLUTCH $6.07ea


Hi,

tongue.gif It's fun to see that the 341-16321-13-00 friction comes from the unforgetable TX 750 (1972) biggrin.gif
and the 2H7-16325-00-00 comes from the XS 1100 (1978) smile.gif


huh.gif ... Don't understand why they are using 3 different kind of friction in the FJR clutch A ssy ?

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 06:22 PM

Well, I finally repaired my clutch today - just over 2,000 miles since frying it. After a short ride of 30 miles with lots of WOT, all seems well with no detectable slipping. Repair was not all that difficult - thanks for all the encouragement, help and advice I received from everyone. There was one thing however, that has caused me concern.................


Remember what the new pieces looked like. Pay close attention to the 'unique' friction plate in the lower left corner of the photo.








Here's what everything looked like after removing the cover. There's the clutch spring, and whoa! There's the crankshaft!!! I could also see #4 connecting rod though it's not in the photo. Cool.








Remove those 6 bolts and off comes the clutch spring, the 7 & 7 friction and steel plates and the one unique friction plate. Here's the old friction plates. They look pretty good. I didn't measure them to see if they have worn too thin, but they all looked good.








And here's the steel plates. They looked good too (with one exception). No noticeable bluing, warping, or unusual wear.








The one exception. Looks like some bluing from heat.








So here I get into my problem area - the one unique friction plate. Here's the one side that looked ok.








But CRAP!!! Here's what the other side looked like (with the matching steel plate). ohmy.gif








Here's a close-up. All friction material has been worn off, and even the metal has been scored/worn. This can't be good.








So here's the clutch basket with all the plates removed. Note the little black blobs of worn friction/plate material.








More photos of the burned off shit floating around my clutch.













Well, I cleaned as much of that gook out of there as I could, but there was more I could not access without removing the clutch basket. And I wasn't going to try that. I would have liked to because there was one more friction and steel plate in there I would have liked to inspected that you can't see in my photos. Hope those two are ok. Anyway, that gook has been in there for 2,000 miles already. I guess that's what an oil filter is for. (Note that I DID drain and replace the oil immediately after burning up the clutch) Note that the outer portions of the clutch housing are clean as a whistle. In hindsight, riding 2,000 miles after burning up the clutch perhaps wasn't such a good idea. I should have got in there and replaced and cleaned out all that stuff pronto. Lesson learned. I still want to get a minimum of 200,000 miles out of this FJR. Hope this clutch burning hasn't reduced that possibility of that.

One last thing. Despite buying a new bearing I didn't replace it. The current one felt smooth, with no binding or looseness. I didn't want to screw anything else up while trying to press the old one out and the new one in without the proper tools. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'
IBA #327........................ Darksider #52

FJR#1 - The 'Dirty Ol Whore' - 2004 non-abs - RIP @ 226,400 - Gone, but not forgotton.
FJR#2 - The 'Hula Girl' - 2004 ABS - 143k
FJR#3 - The 'Virgin' - 2004 ABS - 4344 miles, a garage queen - Brundog would be proud!
FJR#4 - The Oregon FJR - 2004 ABS - 65k
FJR#5 - The Bastard POS Gen II - 2009A - 42k

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 06:56 PM

Whut...yew 'fraid tew stuff summa thems rags enta them playces en kleen-er out wit summa thet Kemtoowel? Huh? Soes yew jist button-er up wit alla thet $&!#..er..crap..uhm..stuff floetin 'round en yer knew clutchy parts? Yew tryin' tuh de-zine a "slippery" clutch, er whut?
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 07:59 PM

Wrong finger. Idgit.









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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:29 PM

Greg,

You made us proud with your wrenching skilz. Congrats and I need some stuff done to my bike...
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Barabus @ Mar 10 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Greg,

You made us proud with your wrenching skilz. Congrats and I need some stuff done to my bike...



Yep, I figger I'll be due for a new clutch around, say, oh, ... 2012 or so?

Greg, you busy then?


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Posted 11 March 2008 - 03:14 AM

smile.gif Congratulation !!!! Nice job !







QUOTE (SkooterG @ Mar 11 2008, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...So here I get into my problem area - the one unique friction plate. One side of it looked ok, but CRAP!!! Look what one side looked like (with the matching steel plate).








Here's a close-up. All friction material has been worn off, and even the metal has been scored/worn. This can't be good.





This is (may be ?) the answer to my question :

QUOTE (Patrick @ Mar 9 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
huh.gif ... Don't understand why they are using 3 different kind of friction in the FJR clutch Assy ?


This "old style" 341 type, have a smoother friction material and is dedicated to be worn first ?

The purpose being to give a smooth feeling with the FJR clutch ?

... just a guess ...





BTW: The oil filter will protect from those particles, but it could be a good idea to drain again after 500 or 1000 M ! glare.gif


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Posted 11 March 2008 - 05:59 AM

It looks to me like that "unique" friction plate did not wear, but rather that it failed. The friction material looks like it fell off. If it was worn, I'd expect to see the underlying steel evenly worn/scored everywhere the friction material had been, but that isn't the case. The inner surface is relatively untouched, as if the friction material flaked off.

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