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Technical & Mechanical Problems
FJRF009.4 "Spider"/Intermittent Ground Wire Failures 2010 and Later Research
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<blockquote data-quote="ionbeam" data-source="post: 1198794" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Harald, I don't want to step on your thread, review the following and I will delete the message if it doesn't fit your process.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">First and important, the term 'spider' and 'spider bite' are made up names here on the Forum, it is in no way an actual technical term or even a normal street slang term for grounding terminal blocks. Telling the NHTSA you have a spider bite will likely get you referenced to an exterminator. Please refer to the failed parts with terms like grounding terminal, grounding block, ground distribution or some similar description. Thanks!</span></p><p></p><p>The NHTSA responds to safety issues such as losing headlights and does not take action on general failures such as the dash clock failing in 75% of all Dongfeng cars built since 1997. If you have failures on your FJR due to <em>known spider issues</em>, take the time to include all safety related failures in your report and be sure to call them safety issues. State that there is a safety issue with your failed spider because the *headlights go out; *the turn signals/hazard lights fail; *the ignition shuts off; *the ABS light comes on; etc. These are actionable failures for the NHTSA. You may not see any action but behind the scenes the NHTSA will write to Yamaha with the failures that are reported and ask Yamaha to respond to the NHTSA. When the NHTSA last wrote to Yamaha, Yamaha responded rapidly with a notice to dealers about unsafe conditions caused by spiders, then followed up with a recall.</p><p></p><p>The first time we went through the spider issue the NHTSA sent an inspector to see BkrK12 and I where we walked him through the electrical system and did a simulated spider failure so he could see the faults. He wrote his report and shortly after Yamaha got the report the recall was done. There is a good chance that with continued failures of 'repaired' FJRs and new bike failures the agency will want to look at the FJR again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ionbeam, post: 1198794, member: 277"] Harald, I don't want to step on your thread, review the following and I will delete the message if it doesn't fit your process. [COLOR=#0000ff]First and important, the term 'spider' and 'spider bite' are made up names here on the Forum, it is in no way an actual technical term or even a normal street slang term for grounding terminal blocks. Telling the NHTSA you have a spider bite will likely get you referenced to an exterminator. Please refer to the failed parts with terms like grounding terminal, grounding block, ground distribution or some similar description. Thanks![/COLOR] The NHTSA responds to safety issues such as losing headlights and does not take action on general failures such as the dash clock failing in 75% of all Dongfeng cars built since 1997. If you have failures on your FJR due to [I]known spider issues[/I], take the time to include all safety related failures in your report and be sure to call them safety issues. State that there is a safety issue with your failed spider because the *headlights go out; *the turn signals/hazard lights fail; *the ignition shuts off; *the ABS light comes on; etc. These are actionable failures for the NHTSA. You may not see any action but behind the scenes the NHTSA will write to Yamaha with the failures that are reported and ask Yamaha to respond to the NHTSA. When the NHTSA last wrote to Yamaha, Yamaha responded rapidly with a notice to dealers about unsafe conditions caused by spiders, then followed up with a recall. The first time we went through the spider issue the NHTSA sent an inspector to see BkrK12 and I where we walked him through the electrical system and did a simulated spider failure so he could see the faults. He wrote his report and shortly after Yamaha got the report the recall was done. There is a good chance that with continued failures of 'repaired' FJRs and new bike failures the agency will want to look at the FJR again. [/QUOTE]
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