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<blockquote data-quote="Fred W" data-source="post: 919640" data-attributes="member: 3828"><p>I'm not following your logic, Don. Bayrische Moter Worken has an <strong><em>extensive </em></strong>engineering department. I would say the weight of a finished bike is strictly in the control of the product design cycle. If anyone was able to design a lighter Big Trailie, it should be THEM!</p><p></p><p>Yes, the Japanese company's have certain advantages in production efficiency, quality control and manufacturing costs (eventually realized in the final product cost) not enjoyed by those crafty krauts. But when it comes to <em>design</em>, BMW can hold their own with anyone. It's the whole implementation thing that generally causes them problems. Well that and the cost thing. Well, actually it's also product support thing. And their marketing is offensive. But that's all, really (except for a few other issues).</p><p></p><p>So... if I was looking for a superbly designed motorcycle that might have some mechanical problems, will definitely cost too much, will be relatively unsupported (at least here in the US), and I felt like drinking the BMW superiority Kool-Aid, well, I know where I'd turn straight away.</p><p></p><p>PS - Isn't it too early to be engaging in this kind of PMS banter? I took a ride today (although it was a chilly one) and you don't have PMS in AZ.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fred W, post: 919640, member: 3828"] I'm not following your logic, Don. Bayrische Moter Worken has an [B][I]extensive [/I][/B]engineering department. I would say the weight of a finished bike is strictly in the control of the product design cycle. If anyone was able to design a lighter Big Trailie, it should be THEM! Yes, the Japanese company's have certain advantages in production efficiency, quality control and manufacturing costs (eventually realized in the final product cost) not enjoyed by those crafty krauts. But when it comes to [I]design[/I], BMW can hold their own with anyone. It's the whole implementation thing that generally causes them problems. Well that and the cost thing. Well, actually it's also product support thing. And their marketing is offensive. But that's all, really (except for a few other issues). So... if I was looking for a superbly designed motorcycle that might have some mechanical problems, will definitely cost too much, will be relatively unsupported (at least here in the US), and I felt like drinking the BMW superiority Kool-Aid, well, I know where I'd turn straight away. PS - Isn't it too early to be engaging in this kind of PMS banter? I took a ride today (although it was a chilly one) and you don't have PMS in AZ. [/QUOTE]
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