QUOTE (NightShine @ Aug 13 2009, 12:34 PM) QUOTE (ionbeam @ Aug 13 2009, 08:32 AM) ... Most other Gen changes are external to the engine.
For example, the 2nd Gen engines do not have a fuel return line to the gas tank...
Virtually all professionally sold salvage engines will be at some level of 'bare'. animal' would be using the FI system off of his Gen I's nuked engine so the FI would match the Gen I harness & FI connections.
This is one of the cautions about buying a used engine, they all come missing various parts. I was offered engines that were missing starters, clutches, stators, missing all the engine covers and in one case even missing the engine block! When buying a 'bare' engine have them spell out in detail what is and isn't included and take nothing for granted. Professional salvage will typically ship only to a shipping dock in your area, not your house. You would have to make the arrangements, then go pick up the engine after it is delivered.
If you buy a private sale engine, the engine is more likely to come with all the peripheral parts. In trade, you get no warranty and you are at the mercy of the honesty of the seller.
A bunch of stuff from previous posts not really formatted, just presented:
Buying salvage engines post.
• Expect that it could take months and months to find an engine, you may get lucky but don't plan on it.
• If you find an engine, first thing is to get the VIN from the donor bike, the deal may stop right here
• Get copy(s) of any titles, salvage titles and/or insurance settlement paperwork because they will provide a good indication of the actual number of miles on the engine and will help with registration and sales later
• When they say the engine is bare or complete, get an explicit listing of what is and isn't coming with the engine 'cause there is no industry standard on what a 'bare' or 'complete' engine includes.
• If the engine is guaranteed, find out how that may be affected by the delay in assembly and the time to when the bike is actually being ridden.
• Ask if they are the direct seller or broker
• Get the name of the business owner and his phone number early in the deal, if the engine is being brokered, get the name and contact info for the actual seller, this way you have the contact info you will need should you have to move up the chain because of problems
• Ask if the engine has actually run since the accident, ask about damage, ask how it has been stored, ask how long it has been stored.
• Have the seller look in the exhaust ports for oil (don't tell them why you are asking for this check, and give them incentive to ignore a little wetness). (This is a Ticker test, per Yamaha)
• Once the engine arrives do a thorough inspection, verify the engine rotates smoothly, then do a cylinder leak-down test; passing this, do a valve adjustment
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I've been looking for a used engine for my FJR and found a good deal on one from South Park Cycle. I have had good dialog with Leon for about a week resulting in the purchase of a '04 engine with <10k miles that they shipped yesterday. I had asked for the VIN of the donor motorcycle and they just supplied that as well as some other info I wanted. I'm still waiting for a document that should spell out the actual mileage of the motorcycle when it was totaled.
The VIN they supplied is: JYARP07Y33A000146 which I decode as being a CA 2003 engine that was probably one of the first ones delivered to the US Can someone make me feel a little better and verify that this could be a '04 model VIN?
The thing that got me going was when I checked my '04 VIN and the 10th digit is a 4 indicating a '04 model, in spite of it being delivered in '03.
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It is pretty much a certainty that the engine South Park Cycle sold as a '04 is actually a '03. I hope to get a copy of the salvage paperwork that should sort out the model year and engine mileage.
Edited to add, this motor was indeed a '03 and in spite of being assured that it had been run and was in excellent condition it miserably failed a compression test and leak-down test. The leak-down test showed that it was leaking past the valves. I already had an engine that was doing that. The engine was returned under warranty.
