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<blockquote data-quote="Dale_I" data-source="post: 1460801" data-attributes="member: 92814"><p>I'll add to [USER=257]@Bounce[/USER] list... the physics of Counter STEER requires motion and under 20 or 25 isn't as affective.</p><p></p><p>As [USER=90668]@feejerbkb[/USER], I've done some YCRS. I may not use the methods to the extreme as when you learn on the track, but I think all of it is scalable. I'm not moving my body off the seat regularly, but I will lean my upper body out (arm extended, etc, etc) so I don't have to use as much effort counter-steering. If I'm riding sporty, I'll move to the balls of my feet (etc, etc), but no way could I stay there for hours. My knees wouldn't take it (I'm old).</p><p></p><p>More than anything, it is a tool in the pocket that you can use when there is wet pavement, gravel or grass, or any of the other million ways we can be taken out.</p><p></p><p>What dedicated track time offers is a known repeatable corner with limited outside dangers so you can try these techniques and explore what they do. It will give you confidence knowing when a particular input is accomplished a predictable response will happen... and that's what's transferable to the street.</p><p></p><p>No requirement to be a squid just because you can.</p><p></p><p>Here is my evidence. These are my peg feeler-bolts previous to a corner clinic, replaced after the corner clinic, and haven't been drug since. I'm definitely able to corner faster, more controlled, and able to adapt my speed and line throughout the corner... just not dragging hard parts. (Honda ST1100)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]5599[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Good form makes it all easier. You can last a lot longer and go a lot more miles when you don't have to muscle it all the time.</p><p></p><p>Last thought... this is never anything I feel I have "obtained" or "perfected". This is a constant learning opportunity every time you ride. On a very rare occasion, everything will line up and you get the zen-moment. Otherwise, most of the time I'm just trying to stay alive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dale_I, post: 1460801, member: 92814"] I'll add to [USER=257]@Bounce[/USER] list... the physics of Counter STEER requires motion and under 20 or 25 isn't as affective. As [USER=90668]@feejerbkb[/USER], I've done some YCRS. I may not use the methods to the extreme as when you learn on the track, but I think all of it is scalable. I'm not moving my body off the seat regularly, but I will lean my upper body out (arm extended, etc, etc) so I don't have to use as much effort counter-steering. If I'm riding sporty, I'll move to the balls of my feet (etc, etc), but no way could I stay there for hours. My knees wouldn't take it (I'm old). More than anything, it is a tool in the pocket that you can use when there is wet pavement, gravel or grass, or any of the other million ways we can be taken out. What dedicated track time offers is a known repeatable corner with limited outside dangers so you can try these techniques and explore what they do. It will give you confidence knowing when a particular input is accomplished a predictable response will happen... and that's what's transferable to the street. No requirement to be a squid just because you can. Here is my evidence. These are my peg feeler-bolts previous to a corner clinic, replaced after the corner clinic, and haven't been drug since. I'm definitely able to corner faster, more controlled, and able to adapt my speed and line throughout the corner... just not dragging hard parts. (Honda ST1100) [ATTACH type="full" alt="FeelerPegz.jpg"]5599[/ATTACH] Good form makes it all easier. You can last a lot longer and go a lot more miles when you don't have to muscle it all the time. Last thought... this is never anything I feel I have "obtained" or "perfected". This is a constant learning opportunity every time you ride. On a very rare occasion, everything will line up and you get the zen-moment. Otherwise, most of the time I'm just trying to stay alive. [/QUOTE]
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