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<blockquote data-quote="k lim" data-source="post: 1460808" data-attributes="member: 99570"><p>I agree with this ^ ^ ^</p><p></p><p>The OP may have been referring to a MotoJitsu video I saw where the author was following and semi-berating a BMW or similar adv. bike counter-leaning in the twisties as "poor technique" that could "lead to a crash" or something like that..</p><p></p><p>I saw shortly afterwards that FortNine video of the police training counter-leaning, in extreme conditions, even at higher speeds, as a technique used in order to maintain control of the vehicle.</p><p></p><p>These two videos seemed to contradict one another, and yet, after thinking about it, it makes sense.</p><p></p><p>True, counter-leaning will require the rider to lean the bike MORE to achieve the same turn radius, but it gives a margin of safety, enabling the rider to quickly recover the bike back up if traction drops suddenly and the bike begins to low-side (like how a dirt rider might position themselves when drifting the rear-wheel out of a corner).</p><p></p><p>And also true; leaning off the bike into the turn will allow the rider to lean the bike LESS to achieve the same turning radius, giving slightly more traction for cornering and mid-turn adjustments, and allow the bike's steering geometry to follow its natural line (at the race track).</p><p></p><p>It's hard to say which one is "correct"; maybe it's more accurate to say that both have their place as a riding technique.. </p><p></p><p>(Another good take-away from this thread is probably that public roads aren't really the place for trying to shave seconds off your lap-times, regardless of what technique you're using..)</p><p></p><p>As this pertains to the FJR? It's a heavy beast that will take a bit longer to respond to rider 'body-language' (as compared to a full on sport bike); so maybe it's better to focus more on handle-bar inputs and less on throwing the rider's weight around?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="k lim, post: 1460808, member: 99570"] I agree with this ^ ^ ^ The OP may have been referring to a MotoJitsu video I saw where the author was following and semi-berating a BMW or similar adv. bike counter-leaning in the twisties as "poor technique" that could "lead to a crash" or something like that.. I saw shortly afterwards that FortNine video of the police training counter-leaning, in extreme conditions, even at higher speeds, as a technique used in order to maintain control of the vehicle. These two videos seemed to contradict one another, and yet, after thinking about it, it makes sense. True, counter-leaning will require the rider to lean the bike MORE to achieve the same turn radius, but it gives a margin of safety, enabling the rider to quickly recover the bike back up if traction drops suddenly and the bike begins to low-side (like how a dirt rider might position themselves when drifting the rear-wheel out of a corner). And also true; leaning off the bike into the turn will allow the rider to lean the bike LESS to achieve the same turning radius, giving slightly more traction for cornering and mid-turn adjustments, and allow the bike's steering geometry to follow its natural line (at the race track). It's hard to say which one is "correct"; maybe it's more accurate to say that both have their place as a riding technique.. (Another good take-away from this thread is probably that public roads aren't really the place for trying to shave seconds off your lap-times, regardless of what technique you're using..) As this pertains to the FJR? It's a heavy beast that will take a bit longer to respond to rider 'body-language' (as compared to a full on sport bike); so maybe it's better to focus more on handle-bar inputs and less on throwing the rider's weight around? [/QUOTE]
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