Who spoons them on?

[chornbe]

So, we tore down my FJR today to put new rubber on it. Jeezuz, how the HELL do you spoon tires onto these rims? The guy helping me... er... the guy doing the job and who I was helping... has done dozens and dozens of tires, and I'm certainly no rookie when it come to wrenching. Neither of us could get this damned tire on the rear wheel. And this is about 10 minutes after he spent all of 30 seconds spooning a new tire on his CBR/RR rim.

Just frustrating. On the upside, he let me bring his CBR/RR home - new rubber and all - while my FJR sits in his garage w/o a rear wheel on it.

So, seriously... any trick to working with these rims?

 

[jwilly]

What tire are you mounting?

I have mounted Pilot Road and Avon and both were a cake walk to get on the rim. Nothing fancy, soapy water and a couple of spoons. 5 minutes max?

-jwilly

 

[chornbe]

What tire are you mounting?
I have mounted Pilot Road and Avon and both were a cake walk to get on the rim. Nothing fancy, soapy water and a couple of spoons. 5 minutes max?

-jwilly

Pilot Roads, correct size. The theory at this point is maybe it was cold and the tires didn't wanna flex much? The garage was open and it was about 45 degrees or so. I dunno what else could be wrong.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[borrec]

Go to :

https://www.nomartirechanger.com/

View their videos, especially the one on stiff sidewall mount. Also read their tips and tricks.

 

[jwilly]

Pilot Roads, correct size. The theory at this point is maybe it was cold and the tires didn't wanna flex much? The garage was open and it was about 45 degrees or so. I dunno what else could be wrong.

Thanks for the reply.

Warm rubber is always better!

Put a work light inside the tire and throw a piece of plywood over it for a few minutes to warm it up. Don't under estimate the power of slippery either?

Good luck...

-jwilly

 

[markjenn]

It's all technique and tools.

Warm certainly helps. The right tire irons helps (I like the 16" Motion Pros x 3). Good lube helps. Making very sure you ALWAYS keep the opposite side of the tire centered in the rim is a requirment - cold/stiff tires will tend to ride up and stay out of the center of the rim and you don't stand a chance when this happens.

It seems about half the time I change tires I reach points where I wonder how in the hell I'm going to get the thing off or on. Then I try something else or start over or go drink a beer or whatever and they all go on eventually. Cave man mechanics.

- Mark

 

[chornbe]

Pilot Roads, correct size. The theory at this point is maybe it was cold and the tires didn't wanna flex much? The garage was open and it was about 45 degrees or so. I dunno what else could be wrong.

Thanks for the reply.

Warm rubber is always better!

Put a work light inside the tire and throw a piece of plywood over it for a few minutes to warm it up. Don't under estimate the power of slippery either?

Good luck...

-jwilly

*nods* We're doing the heat thing tomorrow. he's actually got the NoMar tool kit, but another brand of tire rack. Using the grease, etc. I think the wood blocks, the warmed rubber and a little more aggression will do the trick.

And those videos were helpful. Thanks all.

 

[HaulinAshe]

Use the wooden blocks, but both top AND bottom to keep the tire in the well.

Good luck on that NoMar technique for using their spoon bar for the last flip. I can't make it work.

Motion Pro spoons are still the heat in my book. The NoMar tire snot is the best stuff around.

Don't even think about doing a Diablo Strada until you get really good at Mich PRs. Cause if you think the PRs are stiff... Pirelli Diablo Strada is a PR dipped in Viagra!

 

[Grumpy]

Good tire snot is the main secret.

jim

 

[Geezer]

I spoon my own tires on with the econo Harbor Freight tire changer. I have an assortment of oak boards that I use instead of metal spoons and I use rags and duct tape on the changer to prevent scratching of the wheel. It's not perfect but it is nice to be able to change tires in an evening rather than having the bike tied up for a day or two.

 

[GalaxyBlue]

Good tire snot is the main secret.jim

Something about the term "tire snot" made me just start laughing hysterically! :lol:

 

[DCH]

So, we tore down my FJR today to put new rubber on it. Jeezuz, how the HELL do you spoon tires onto these rims? The guy helping me... er... the guy doing the job and who I was helping... has done dozens and dozens of tires, and I'm certainly no rookie when it come to wrenching. Neither of us could get this damned tire on the rear wheel. And this is about 10 minutes after he spent all of 30 seconds spooning a new tire on his CBR/RR rim.

Just frustrating. On the upside, he let me bring his CBR/RR home - new rubber and all - while my FJR sits in his garage w/o a rear wheel on it.

So, seriously... any trick to working with these rims?

Get a couple of large c-clamps to squeeze the tire up in the middle of the rim, opposite where you are spoonin, Thats the key. Heat will also help, as will ru- glide or some sort of tire snot. You can use pieces of cardboard under the spoons, or the plastic rim protectors, to keep from damaging the rims. Don't get in a hurry and take little bites. If you take all these precautions it's a piece of cake.

Good luck,

DCH

 

[chornbe]

We actually used the C-Clamp to get the old one off, but I was worried about damaging the carcass or maybe doing something nasty and wicked to the belts on the new tire. Is that not really a worry?

 

[rontoride]

curved 15 inch spoons, and most of all rim savers with a cord attached, and I use two woodclamps on the tire to squeeze it . (3 rim savers) And a warm tire with detergent.

 

[Grumpy]

curved 15 inch spoons, and most of all rim savers with a cord attached, and I use two woodclamps on the tire to squeeze it . (3 rim savers) And a warm tire with detergent.

In my experience, pieces of plastic, like from a milk carton or detergent bottle, are superior to the rim savers with cord attached. The pieces of plastic are thinner, easier to get the tire over and you don't have a problem with the plastic pieces disappearing inside the tire like the rim savers are prone to do...............why do you think the cord is attached?

Clamps are a must!

jim

 

[chornbe]

Well, I just got a call from my friend. He got home from work early today and decided to take another crack at it. He said that after letting the tire sit in his house and warm up, the tire went on with "minimal effort", using all the normal means. Guess it really was that cold out last night.

Thanks again for all the info. Lots of good stuff to keep in the back of my mind for next time.

We're doing the front one this evening (and yes, it's already in the house warming up ).

 

[dbvolfan]

Darnit I want one of those No-mar changers so bad but there is no way I can talk the wife into that right now...I was lucky to talk her into buying two bikes in 12 months....I even put the business case together for it to show her how it would save me money over the long run but it was a no go.

The Harbor Freight model looks attractive at that price but I hear it is either a great value or it eats up your rims...I am not willing to risk the rim for that.

 

[MCRIDER007]

The Harbor Freight model looks attractive at that price but I hear it is either a great value or it eats up your rims...

It takes about 6 inches of old garden hose and a little contact cement and the Harbor Freight model will not scratch your rims because there will not be any metal to metal contact.

 

[chornbe]

Job's all done. With the tires warmed up in the house, they both went on normally. Again, thanks for the info and advice.