Ignition fix

rmcobb said:

rfulcher said:

Crushed with dissapointment I am number 32.

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Ah, patience Grasshopper, for I am # 31. Second batch before the end of the year.......awesome :yahoo: Thanks Brodie.

It will be here before we know it.

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[SIZE=12pt]Ignacio[/SIZE]

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Help!

[SIZE=12pt][/SIZE]This board has been over run by grasshoppers.



Time to unleash the bearded dragons.

Just kidding

zzzzip said:

So Fred, I guess you're saying I'd still have to pop the tank to disconnect the new relay to run a "hot wire" repair and bypass the ignition switch?

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No, you wouldn't. You missed thee two lines in my prior post:

Alternatively, you could have a bypass switch already wired into those two points (in parrallel to the ignition switch) that resides under your seat or some other secure area. I would suggest using another keyed switch as otherwise you will undermine the security of your bike.

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So what I meant by that is that you could wire up some alternate type of switch, permanently in parrallel with the ignition switch contacts that enable the Brodie relay. The two wires you would want to connect your secret switch to would be the red and brown wires in the new Brodie harness connector going to the ignition switch.

On further consideration, your security should be maintained, even if you just used a simple hidden toggle switch to turn the Brodie relay on. You'd still need the ignition switch turned on to connect the two smaller wires together. Those wires connect the kill switch to the ECU, so the bike would not run without the key switch on.

However, I think the main reason folks are doing this mod is to improve the reliability of the ignition switch. The idea being that you would be far less likely to need to bypass the ignition switch ever again.

Gotcha now. That was what I was wondering.

Thanks for the info.

B)

[SIZE=10pt]Hey guys,[/SIZE]

Just to make those Kawi Concours 14 owners shake their heads wouldn't it be just so kewl to add a keyless remote starter system while doing Brodie's ignition relay bypass, which, BTW, I think is a wonderful concept. I relay several circuits on my bike to save some less robust switches.

The only potential problem I see is if you inadvertently left your bike in gear. That could be bad! Surely there is some safety circuit that looks at the neutral switch before attempting to crank.

Also, the kits I looked at still require you to put the key in the switch before you drive away so I guess the only bling factor would be look on others' faces when your bike starts up on it's own while you are walking toward it. LOL

But seriously, their are keyless remote start with bike alarm kits available. I just wonder if anybody has been bold enough to try one or if it would just be asking for trouble.

-Roger-

Well, I also made my harness this weekend,and installed it,(TWICE). I Had a wire flipped in the harness connection, goes much faster the second time. I ride an 07 with no signs of a problem. so lets see what happens. :yahoo:

Dean

Great work man! simple fix you wonder why mulitgasquillian companies can't see the bigger picture?

zzzzip said:

Wolfhound said:

You can just cut into the switch wiring as usual & bypass the problem even with this harness without raising tank.

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Thanks, but I am trying to avoid doing this with a flashlight roadside, hence the desire to just lift the seat and connect 2 wires to do the same.

B)

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That's why I put quick disconnects in my wiring so I don't have to do anything but plug them together to bypass switch . . . .

Hi Brodie, include me on the purchase of one of the harness, Just let me know when ,how much and how to get you paid.

Thanks Harold

Have a great week.

What an elegant design! I built it and installed it today. Good flexibility. Thank you!!!

Brodie,

I somehow missed this entire thread. Not surprising, really, me being me.

I've seen in other threads about this references to there being two current flows through the switch and the suggestion of using a dual-contact relay (or something like that). Is there any need for that?

Please put me on the list if you have any left over or are going to do another run.

palerider said:

Brodie,
I somehow missed this entire thread. Not surprising, really, me being me.

I've seen in other threads about this references to there being two current flows through the switch and the suggestion of using a dual-contact relay (or something like that). Is there any need for that?

Please put me on the list if you have any left over or are going to do another run.

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The other set of contacts (I reference them above) have never been known to fail. They do not carry any appreciable current flow through them. If you were to have a relay with two sets of contacts and moved all the switch functions over to the relay, then any ne'er do well would only have to figure out how to energize your relay to hot wire your bike. In other words, they could run your bike without having the key. As the Brodie design is now, you still need to have the key on to run the engine, even if you hot wire the relay.

Fred W said:

palerider said:

Brodie,
I somehow missed this entire thread. Not surprising, really, me being me.

I've seen in other threads about this references to there being two current flows through the switch and the suggestion of using a dual-contact relay (or something like that). Is there any need for that?

Please put me on the list if you have any left over or are going to do another run.

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The other set of contacts (I reference them above) have never been known to fail. They do not carry any appreciable current flow through them. If you were to have a relay with two sets of contacts and moved all the switch functions over to the relay, then any ne'er do well would only have to figure out how to energize your relay to hot wire your bike. In other words, they could run your bike without having the key. As the Brodie design is now, you still need to have the key on to run the engine, even if you hot wire the relay.

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Thanks for the explanation.

Brodie, please add me to the list. And thanks for coming up with this little piece of electronic "insurance".

Love the Eastern Beaver source, if nothing else!

[SIZE=10pt]Keyless remote, anyone?[/SIZE]

No bites?

It should be fairly easy to do while you are in there to do the Brodie fix anyway.

Anyone?

radman said:

Love the Eastern Beaver source, if nothing else!

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Our beavers are far superior to those western beavers.

radman said:

Love the Eastern Beaver source, if nothing else!

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I guess the fact that Jim is married to a Japanese girl puts that comment in a whole new perspective

TheRepairMan said:

[SIZE=10pt]Keyless remote, anyone?[/SIZE]
No bites?

It should be fairly easy to do while you are in there to do the Brodie fix anyway.

Anyone?

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I for one would be very interested in a remote start type setup, not for starting the bike before i get to it, since i always leave it in 1st gear, but rather so as not to have to fiddle with the keys. Basically to be able to use it as the ZX14 guys can by just keeping the keys in my pocket.

JamesK said:

TheRepairMan said:

[SIZE=10pt]Keyless remote, anyone?[/SIZE]
No bites?

It should be fairly easy to do while you are in there to do the Brodie fix anyway.

Anyone?

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I for one would be very interested in a remote start type setup, not for starting the bike before i get to it, since i always leave it in 1st gear, but rather so as not to have to fiddle with the keys. Basically to be able to use it as the ZX14 guys can by just keeping the keys in my pocket.

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I'm not spamming, just trying to help as I am also interested in this project.

Bulletproof ARSE is what you might go with, ...except it's pretty pricy. $400+

https://www.tobefast.com/bullletproof-arse-...pr-2395230.html

Here's a cheap China made version. Also sold for cars under the PYLE namebrand.

https://www.samitoelectronics.com/motorcycl...le-keyless.html

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Motorcycle...A1%7C240%3A1318

And here are the rest on eBay,

https://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Motorcycle-Pa..._newuZ1QQ_sopZ1

-Roger-

Brodie, please add me to the list. Thanks for taking the initiative on this!

dbx