Clutch Lever - Might be a dumb question.

[mcatrophy]

That was "corrected" from 2009 on, when MamaYama went back to using what worked on the Gen 1.................

That was also the point in time when they decided to quit making an auto clutch version.

T

Coincidence?

Fred, they never stopped making them. I had a new one in 2010 and another in 2014. They merely stopped importing them into America. They are showing them on the European web site for 2016 as well.

 

[wfooshee]

Wait..... there are other COUNTRIES??!?!?!?!????

But.... what about the Super Bowl crowning the world champion team? And the World Series? Do we have to invite folks from those alleged "other" countries?

 

[mcatrophy]

Wait..... there are other COUNTRIES??!?!?!?!????
But.... what about the Super Bowl crowning the world champion team? And the World Series? Do we have to invite folks from those alleged "other" countries?

Do they play cricket in this Super Bowl place? We aliens would like to know.

Whoops, off topic.

But still the best way to avoid clutch lever problems is to do without one, inside or outside of whatever country you inhabit.

 

[Fred W]

That was "corrected" from 2009 on, when MamaYama went back to using what worked on the Gen 1.................

That was also the point in time when they decided to quit making an auto clutch version.

T

Coincidence?

Fred, they never stopped making them. I had a new one in 2010 and another in 2014. They merely stopped importing them into America. They are showing them on the European web site for 2016 as well.

I am not sure that what you say is true. I recall that there are different "rules" for what constitutes a particular model year in various countries, and that "left-overs" can be sold as a current model year in some.

And no, I'm not just being a US-centric snob here. I really do believe that Yamaha pulled the plug on the AE (or whatever letters denote the auto clutch version in your location) because it was a dismal marketing failure. That is not to say that there was anything particularly wrong or bad about the design. Just that the marketing/sales dweebs failed to convince the masses that this was what they wanted, and it ended in a bad financial accounting.

 

[mcatrophy]

...I am not sure that what you say is true. ...

We're off topic, I've started a new thread here.

 

[gixxerjasen]

What is this clutch thing you speak of?

3 months for an AE owner to jump on this? Fellas, we are slacking.

 

[blassoff]

Hey, any advantage to changing the clutch slave back to a Gen1? Thought it might help seeing as Mama Yama saw fit to change it back to the original design post 2009 (I think i read that somewhere). Or was it just the levers being changed?

Research, there's always research I can look up. Giddy faulk, I love this site!!

 

[Donal]

Hey, any advantage to changing the clutch slave back to a Gen1? Thought it might help seeing as Mama Yama saw fit to change it back to the original design post 2009 (I think i read that somewhere). Or was it just the levers being changed?
Research, there's always research I can look up. Giddy faulk, I love this site!!

AFAIK it's just a matter of replacing the clutch slave cylinder. This will reduce the 'effort' required to move the clutch but it will also reduce the distance the clutch rod moves............

 

[blassoff]

I found a solution to my problem, but it's temporary and kinda dumb.

Lately I've been having a problem shifting the 06. Seems even with the lever all the way out, I couldn't get the bike to downshift easily. I lubed and adjusted the shift peg and even re-bled the clutch. Nothing helped. As a last resort, I placed a plastic shim behind the clutch lever to give it a little greater throw. That worked. The tranny still klunks into first, but upshifts and downshifts now "snick" into place.

I assume I'm looking at replacing either the master cylinder or the slave cylinder, or maybe both. Since it generally feels like there's too much play with the clutch lever, I think it makes sense to replace the master cylinder first.

Any thoughts?

 

[RaYzerman19]

On the GenIII you have a Gen1 clutch slave, i.e., less effort, shorter throw, thus greater lever travel. If you swapped it out for GenII slave, greater effort, shorter throw, lever doesn't have to be adjusted away from you so far.

 

[gixxerjasen]

I found a solution to my problem, but it's temporary and kinda dumb.
Lately I've been having a problem shifting the 06. Seems even with the lever all the way out, I couldn't get the bike to downshift easily.

I gotta say, at first I thought your technique was temporary and kinda dumb. I was all "Why is he shifting with the lever out? Pull it in for goodness sake! Even an AE guy knows that!"

Then I read RaYzerman19's post and it made sense.

 

[wfooshee]

..... Since it generally feels like there's too much play with the clutch lever .....
Any thoughts?

Check for wear on the bushing in the lever pivot. See my post #13 in this thread.

Not only does that bushing wear (which is what it's there for - it dies to save the other bits,) but the pin from the cylinder tries to drill through it. In my case, it did go through it, and through the lever as well, which is when I noticed I didn't have enough clutch action to shift well.

 

[blassoff]

On the GenIII you have a Gen1 clutch slave, i.e., less effort, shorter throw, thus greater lever travel. If you swapped it out for GenII slave, greater effort, shorter throw, lever doesn't have to be adjusted away from you so far.

Thanks Ray, problem is we're talking about the Gen2 (2006). I took the lever apart and greased the bushing, looked pretty normal. (Was having the same problem with the Pazzo lever I pulled off).

I have an extra gen1 slave, but it sounds like that's not gonna solve my problem (less effort less throw). I need more throw. Goin to Sleaze-Bay for a Gen2 master and slave...see if that make a difference.