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Anyone else read and digested the May 2013 issue?

Therein you will find a review of the most recent iteration of five sport touring machines: K1600 GT, R1200 RT, Triumph Trophy SE, Concours 1400 ABS and our beloved FJR 1300. You can guess which bike was rated tops.

The FJR tied for fourth with the Concours in a review containing a good bit of adolescent fawning, a few questionable assertions and a notable absence of any discussion of what is to me perhaps the number one desired trait in a motorcycle: reliability. I know, I know, the reviews don't matter, ride what you like, etc., but it is strange to read that the FJR engine is "uninspired" and "lacks character" or that the FJR "generally feels bland compared to the others." Remarkable. This about a bike legendary in long riding circles?

Last time I checked, "bland" means "lacking strong features or characteristics and therefore uninteresting." Who knew?

Lots of giddiness is expressed over the K16 powerplant along with praise for the bike's array of expensive geegaws. The FJR is knocked, I guess, for being the bike with the least wind protection and for feeling the most like a large sport bike.

There seems to be precious little real-world performance data while there is a good bit of "tale of the tape" dimensional and specification information.

The ST1300 was ruled ineligible in that there is no 2013 edition for that bike (which I did not know).

The K1600GT as tested would set you back 25 large while the FJR lists for $15.9. The others are in between those two endpoints of the price spectrum.

In addition to saying nothing about long term reliability (or short term for that matter) there is nothing in the article about other factors that matter quite a bit to me: cost of ownership, ease of maintenance and dealer network. I could get a K16 if I wanted one, but the fact is, the 05 FJR I had for the past seven and half years taught me that dependability in a package that I found enormously inspiring counts for almost everything if you're a long rider. I am sure the BMW crowd has their explanations especially if money is no object or if you don't mind a long-term intimate relationship with your local BMW dealer. I considered a K16 when I bought recently, but ended up being unable to justify anything but the 2013 FJR that sits in my garage waiting for winter to ease up.

The article contains nothing about the real word aspects of owning a motorcycle you actually ride to and from distant locales: If you're going to have a mechanical issue on the road while riding the FJR, that road can be almost anywhere and you can get needed help. More likely, you won't ever have a mechanical issue. If you're going to have a mechanical issue on the road while on a BMW or Triumph, not very unlikely, you'd better be near an interstate in proximity to a population center and then you should pray the parts needed are in stock. I had no qualms owning and operating my former FJR in or out of warranty. Owning a BMW of any sort out of warranty is a tight rope walk with no net.

Two of the five testers stated that if they were going to pick one of these bikes "and spend their own money," the FJR would get the call. Two stated the RT1200 would be their pick using that criterion. One said he'd pick the Triumph.

I have never operated the K16, the Triumph or the Concours but I have operated a 2012 R1200RT. It was very nicely finished but the engine felt sluggish and agricultural compared to the FJR, yet the FJR's engine is described as "uninspired" and lacking "character." This is one of many dubious assertions in the article.

Generally speaking the article leaves you with the impression that the FJR platform as it now exists, even in 2013, has simply seen its day.

In keeping with the high school journalism class vibe of the article, the author sums up the bikes thusly:

K16 = "Mr. Big Stuff"

R1200RT="Mr. Traditional"

Triumph Trophy SE="Mr. Personality"

Kawasaki Concours 14="Mr. Universe"

Yamaha FJR 1300="Mr. Sport"

The fact is, each of these bikes is just fine. The issue is what floats your boat and how much mechanical risk and expense are you willing to accept in exchange for that which floats your boat.

My $.02.

 
One of the most enjoyable motorcycles I ever owned finished last

in every comparison.

Maybe print isn't dead but perhaps burnt-out editors should have

term limits.

 
Having ridden a K1600GTL, an R1200RT, and a Concourse, I can tell you that this cowboy likes the horse he chose! My '03 FJR fits me better than any of them and although I miss my Bandit I can tell you that the FJR is the best bike I've ever been on... That and I'm VERY happy I decided to go the used route and avoid high payments!

 
I got my issue several days ago and it again reminded me why I have never held the Rider motorcycle evaluations in high regard. It looks like they are using a new dyno, the HP figures for all the bikes seemed high in comparison to other dyno results.....even though the R1200RT could only manage 99 HP.....but still manage to come in 2nd overall. This was a bike that everyone picked as a favorite in 2005 but by 2008 was finishing last in all the shoot outs to the point it has not been reviewed by anyone for years and now has suddenly jumped to the top of the class? The only change has been the 4 valve engine and it didn't change that much but it still has the same final drive. I have been following the Triumph Trophy on a couple of owner's forums, it will be interesting to read their comments since many seem to be former (dis-satisified) R1200RT owners.

 
I also noticed that the FJR engine was referred to as "high revving" as though it is a negative aspect. Yet, the lower revving R1200RT is turning more RPMs at 60 mph than the FJR. I really did not enjoy this article very much, I found it more "bland" than their assessment of the FJR.

I have nothing bad to say about the K1600GT. I don't own one and have never been on one. I have ridden the R1200RT and I liked it. I did not like it more than I do the Gen2 FJR or the Honda ST1300 for that matter. I would think that the Gen3 FJR would decisively crush the R1200RT. I am amazed at how shocked the motojournalists seem to be that a 1600 has more power than a 1300. Wow, who knew?

 
Just MHO but, if "bang for the buck" and dealer network had counted for as much as numbers off a spec sheet, the Yamaha and Kawasaki should have rated as high or higher than the rest. For a touring machine especially, dealer support far from home would be a major concern for me. Of course, this "comparison" is nothing more than five persons' opinions; my finances and requirements would dictate a different choice for me. Maybe Yamaha hasn't spent enough on advertising with this mag lately?

 
In my humble opinion, most if not all comparisons are won by the company who spends the most $$$$ in advertizing for that particular mag. It's pretty easy to spot. I am still very "inspired" by my FJR after 6 years.

 
I'm backlogged on issues so am just now getting to the MCNews one with the FJR1300 (2013). I'm looking forward to it because, while most all mags are dripping in bias (even MCNews) at least they aren't also shouldering the burden of catering to their advertisers.

 
You have to take all reviews done by someone else with a grain of salt. There is usually some good information to gleen out of any review, however opinions are so subjective they cannot universally apply. What it comes down to is go ride them. Pick the one that best suits you. I know I am glad that I saved about $7K by not selecting a BMW, but I also know that I would have spent it if that was THE bike for me. After >60K on the FJR I know my next one will probably be an FJR.

 
I am still amazed they call the k16 a sport tourer, that thing is a monster.

I guess I am still of the euro approach for sport tourers and them being smaller bikes. I personally think the FJR is on the fringe of the large size for what I'd consider a sport tourer.

All of that said, the FJR is a reliable bike, fast and sporty. But it does lack character, in my opinion.

 
Yeah, I was a bit perplexed at the final conclusions. I was also surprised, because in the previous issue of Rider they had a pretty favorable ride report on the new 2013. And they obviously didn't try to change the plugs on the Concours.

I'm whittling down the number of subscriptions. I think Rider will not be renewed. Definitely keeping MCN, Cycle World (for Cameron and Egan), and Iron Butt. I'm getting Motorcyclist electronically for pretty cheap. May keep that for a while longer.

 
Feels like a large sport bike.

they nailed my niche.
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Q : Is the FJR uninspiring?

A: You could say that because of the flat HP and torque curve, that it is an uninspiring engine. As much as I loved my 08 FJR it could never compete on the inspiring scale with my 08 FZ1 which itself was a detuned, and less inspiring version of the R1 engine. The FJR engine just doesn’t have that kick in the pants feel when you hit the power band because it’s always in the power band. The qualities that make it uninspiring are the same qualities that make it an awesome sport touring bike. Good low end torque, low RPM horse power, high reliability, and long life are qualities that will make an engine slightly “uninspiring.”

Q: Does the FJR lack character?

A: Yes! The engine is quite. The exhaust note is tame. The riding position is neutral. The FJR is always offered in conservative colors without additional graphics. The body work, while great looking IMHO, is conservative and functional.

In my opinion an inspiring bike with Character would be something more exotic than a sport touring bike. A few examples would be a Panagale, Diaval, R1, V-Max, Speed triple, RR1000S. All examples of inspiring bikes with Character but impractical in my opinion. Honda is a brand that is built on uninspiring, bikes lacking character, but most are great motorcycles that do what is asked of them day in and day out.

Yes, I hate to see the FJR come out on the bottom after the first updates in years but I am not going to get my panties in a knot over it. These guys are jaded journalists that have probably ridden the best of the best bikes in the greatest locations and their statements and opinions are going to reflect that experience. After all, Two of them did pick the FJR when asked to choose one with their dollars and that isn’t bad considering what its compared to.

 
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To call the FJR uninspiring...they obviously haven't been on the "ride like a bat out of hell" FJR rides I've been on.

Pretty inspiring to me...

???

I must be missing something. I'm inspired to do lots of naughty things every time I take that bike for a trip.

 
Ordinarily I like Rider Magazine, and I still do for that matter. But this review was so obviously subjective in nature, using such sloppy and lazy descriptive terminology, that it simply lacks a great deal of credibility.

 
I usually hear someone use the term "character" to describe a fault or irritant with a particular thing; Old furniture with lots of wear and tear is often described as having character. I wouldn't mind a little "character" in my bike if all I ever did was ride it around home never went anywhere with it. I'll take my "uninspired" FJR across the nation without really worrying about anything other than "did I remember to pack a toothbrush?" And since I haven't had the pleasure of having other folks hand me the keys to the latest greatest thing on two wheels and let me rip around to my heart's content without spending a dime of my own money, I will continue in my blissful ignorance, believing I have the greatest bike sitting in my garage waiting for me to go out and ride the hell out of it!

 
I usually hear someone use the term "character" to describe a fault or irritant with a particular thing; Old furniture with lots of wear and tear is often described as having character. I wouldn't mind a little "character" in my bike if all I ever did was ride it around home never went anywhere with it. I'll take my "uninspired" FJR across the nation without really worrying about anything other than "did I remember to pack a toothbrush?" And since I haven't had the pleasure of having other folks hand me the keys to the latest greatest thing on two wheels and let me rip around to my heart's content without spending a dime of my own money, I will continue in my blissful ignorance, believing I have the greatest bike sitting in my garage waiting for me to go out and ride the hell out of it!
Well said!

 
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