FJRF009.2: "Intermittent Ground Wire Connection"

[Ignacio]

FiveG - Do you have an interest or are you employed by Yamaha? Some of your comments seem very similar to what I was told by Cypress corporate. Since Yamaha knew of the problem for years, I would think they had adequate time to develop a recovery plan that would minimally affect the owners.

I know that Yamaha monitors this board and might be encouraged to reconsider rental reimbursment after consideration of another class action lawsuit.

I guess I could have predicted this one. We sometimes have a Johnny-Come-Lately that wants to become an armchair quarterback on what Yamaha should have done after the fact.

No, we won't be attacking other forum members because we don't like their answer on this forum nor will we be beating any lawsuit drums.

The fact is this recall wouldn't have been initiated (or wouldn't have for a much longer time) if this forum hadn't stepped up and helped identify, characterize, and resolve the issue.

No, let's keep the dialogue moving forward and help affected riders get bikes resolved as soon as reasonable. It's clear there's going to be a backlog to get harnesses built for those that have marginal or damaged harnesses, but Yamaha will tool up. It will be slower than we want, but it will happen.

And FJR owners will have to make a choice of whether to follow the letter of their recall letter or keep riding realizing the issue has existed now for 5 years and didn't magically just become an issue yesterday. They may even employ an aftermarket adjunct (that seems Brodie and others had it nailed the whole time). And I think the latter will likely be much happier people in the long run including remaining happy and contributing members of this forum and not pariahs that amass negative votes.

Thanks everybody for moving forward on this important issue. YOU the forum helped make this recall happen, where it might not have happened otherwise, and YOU should be proud you've helped make the FJR the great bike it is. That extends even to one or two vinegar spewing members that were annoying but did contribute some too.

This is the third or fourth campaign the collective forum with key members have been instrumental in getting a resolution. :clapping:

 

[HIGHLANDER]

It appears I may be one of the first ( maybe the first ? ) to have the "Fix" installed on my bike. It's scheduled to arrive next Tuesday at my dealer.

My AE is in the shop and apart for the recalls the previous owner neglegted to do, the Ae also has the "stuck in first gear shift" issue and it also won't start or crank, so Cypress said they are expediting the new " recall part " ahead of schedule to try to resolve the issues.

My spiders are all in fine shape with Brodie's harness just installed, so I'm not sure how the new part will resolve anything, but I'll keep you guys updated. I also asked the tech to call me when the part arrives and I'll try to take some pics etc and post up the info.

Gen II - when reliability just doesn't matter. :glare:

Sorry to hear of your woes, and will be looking forward to whatever info you can provide.

Harness arrived today and I took a couple pics and will post later tonight. It is not installed yet, as the tech working on the bike said he talked to Yamaha and they wanted the old spider caps reinstalled and Brodie's harness pulled from the bike.

I'm not too happy about that and will have a discussion with the service supervisor tomorrow when he comes back.

Hope you guys saved your old spiders & caps ? This could get interesting........

 

[Ignacio]

I'm not too happy about that and will have a discussion with the service supervisor tomorrow when he comes back.

Hope you guys saved your old spiders & caps ? This could get interesting........

This is exactly the kind of stuff we as a forum should keep working on, can help with, and can add positively.

I would ask that if you don't get a reasonable response from the supervisor (or in addition to)...that might be a good reason to call Cypress so they're aware of the situation. I'd go with something like, "I have bike that has had an issue many have known about for years, we did something because Yamaha was slow to respond, and now I'm pressured to put back stuff? Can't you work without the old spiders and caps or what can we do to get the bike fixed?"

Meanwhile, good point and hopefully some folks have saved them and can share if needed.

 

[mferriter]

I'm not too happy about that and will have a discussion with the service supervisor tomorrow when he comes back.

Hope you guys saved your old spiders & caps ? This could get interesting........

This is exactly the kind of stuff we as a forum should keep working on, can help with, and can add positively.

I would ask that if you don't get a reasonable response from the supervisor (or in addition to)...that might be a good reason to call Cypress so they're aware of the situation. I'd go with something like, "I have bike that has had an issue many have known about for years, we did something because Yamaha was slow to respond, and now you don't want to make it right? Can't you work without the old spiders and caps or provide replacements?"

Meanwhile, good point and hopefully some folks have saved them and can share if needed.

It may be as simple as the service dept needing to send in the old parts in order to get reimbursed from Yamaha for installing the new ones. Or maybe to destroy the evidence.

What if I want to keep the old parts that they are replacing? I own them, and I sometimes do this when I get my car repaired so I can see the damaged or worn out part for myself.

 

[mferriter]

This all leads me to think that the repairs would be done in a more expedient fashion if this issue had occurred on a car instead of a motorcycle. Maybe some of these issues need to make their way to the local media outlets to get some real pressure on Yamaha to get it fixed.

What if you drove your car into the dealer and the same "safety" issues came up? Would you have to walk home, or call a cab?

This is unacceptable.

 

[SkooterG]

to get some real pressure on Yamaha to get it fixed.

Dude. They ARE fixing it. These things don't happen overnight.

If you REALLY don't want to be without your bike, then simply don't take it to a dealer until you know there are new wiring harnesses in the system ready to go.

I mean, afterall, YOU are the fool who bought a POS Gen II! :lol:

 

[SkooterG]

I'm not too happy about that and will have a discussion with the service supervisor tomorrow when he comes back.

Hope you guys saved your old spiders & caps ? This could get interesting........

I don't see how you guys are going to get around this. Yamaha has an engineered 'fix' for a SAFETY RECALL that they take liability for. They are not going to go out on a limb for a home-grown repair that they know nothing about and sure as hell are not going to take the chance and take any liability for.

I bet it will be tough getting too many dealers to 'ignore' your Brodie or Roadrunner repair. To me, the only option is to re-install it yourself after the recall work is completed.

 

[RadioHowie]

I mean, afterall, YOU are the fool who bought a POS Gen II! :lol:

Skooter, that's just not fair.

I mean, how could "they" know it was a POS? It took us riders of superior Gen I machines 18-20 months minutes to determine THAT!

 

[John d]

Will I burn in hell if I don't get the recall done and leave my Brodie harness on?

 

[RadioHowie]

Will I burn in hell if I don't get the recall done and leave my Brodie harness on?

In an inferno of flaming plastic and aluminum! :rofl:

 

[beemerdons]

Will I burn in hell if I don't get the recall done and leave my Brodie harness on?

In an inferno of flaming plastic and aluminum! :rofl:

Come on now Steve, this is your Golden Opportunity to: BE NICE!

 

[pegscraper]

I received my spider recall yesterday. Called Temecula Motorsports today and they said they received the recall bulletin and to bring the bike in for the recall. I asked if they had the parts in yet and NO was the answer. I was told they would tear the bike apart and see if I needed the replacement parts. If not, they would put the bike together and I could ride it home. If I needed the fix, they would keep the bike until the parts came in, leaving me without a ride. I said I would call back on a weekly bases to see if the parts came in and then bring the bike in for the fix.

But what got me was when the service mgr said they would put the part on only if it was needed. WTF, I was under the impression the fix goes on regardless if it was needed or not. :glare:

 

[Woketman]

Had I got bitten a year ago, I would have no problem just continuing to ride and wait until Yammy is ready, parts in hand, to do the recall. However, I just got bit, and hard, three weeks or so ago. I don't want to get stranded or worse. But I don't want to not ride my lovely FJR either!!!!

This is so damned frustrating.........

 

[SkooterG]

But what got me was when the service mgr said they would put the part on only if it was needed. WTF, I was under the impression the fix goes on regardless if it was needed or not. :glare:

Apparently the service manager is an idiot.

Yes, you get one fix or another. The easy fix is to add the harness. Those are supposedly in the system and you probably won't have to wait too long for one of those. If you already have damage to your wiring harness, then fix #2 is to replace the entire harness. None of those are in the system and that could be a LONG wait.

Again, your service manager is an idiot. All too typical. Be glad you are on the forum and are able to get good information.

 

[pegscraper]

But what got me was when the service mgr said they would put the part on only if it was needed. WTF, I was under the impression the fix goes on regardless if it was needed or not. :glare:

Apparently the service manager is an idiot.

Yes, you get one fix or another. The easy fix is to add the harness. Those are supposedly in the system and you probably won't have to wait too long for one of those. If you already have damage to your wiring harness, then fix #2 is to replace the entire harness. None of those are in the system and that could be a LONG wait.

Again, your service manager is an idiot. All too typical. Be glad you are on the forum and are able to get good information.

I wanted to reach through the receiver and slap that idiot some but I kept my cool. I just hope all can be fixed before we head to SW-FOG 2011 in 7.5 weeks. MsNASCAR is getting nervous about this whole ordeal and want all to be good for the little trip. Last year we celebrated our 22nd Wedding anniversary at SW-FOG and anturally it will be our 23rd this time. How sweet it is on an FJR.

 

[Ignacio]

WTF, I was under the impression the fix goes on regardless if it was needed or not. :glare:

Maybe reread the bulletin linked in the first post and take it down and read along with them. We've found that is often an educational experience for everybody and often leads to things being resolved more expeditiously.

 

[tommd]

I took my '08 FJR (16k miles) to the dealership today for the spider recall and front brake switch recall. The bike was inspected and both parts (sub-harness and switch) are ordered - I'll pick the bike up tomorrow and keep it at home until the parts come in, then return the bike to have the work done when the parts arrive. I live a 15 minute walk from the dealership which is convenient ! Also, the salesguy downloaded the complete service manual onto a flash drive for me ! Plus, they'll put in new plugs while the tank is off. Sweet. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Hope everyone has a good experience w/their dealers.

 

[majicmaker]

My Dealer told me he received 5 repair kits and told me to bring the bike in. I'm SOOOO Glad to read here that the full harnesses are not yet available!

NO THANK YOU! I'm NOT taking the chance of my bike having some damage and getting Impounded until the harness comes in.

Like I said before, This is the Best F@&King Forum EVER! :clapping:

 

[road runner]

Just a thought.

I would think the dealer won't even notice my harnesses when they check the bike, and do the recall. They will be looking at the spiders, not the fans, and head lights. So I would think if you have my harnesses in, you could leave them if you want, and let the dealer add there fix as well. It looks like the recall is tapping into a spider to add ground path, so you will be able to run with both fixes (mine and Yamaha) if you want. The only way they might notice my harnesses is if the dealer has to R&R the factory harness, which they won't have to do if you added the overload harnesses before the spiders got burnt.

There was a few of you that added my harnesses after being bitten, and now the bike is grounding threw them. If you are one of them , then you may want to take them out before you take it to dealer, and reinstall them after you get the new factory harness installed (if you want).

Another option for everyone is take the after market spider fixes off, and run with Yamaha's fix. I'm sure this is what Yamaha wants.

 

[HIGHLANDER]

Damn, did I screw those pics up , I should have checked them before leaving the dealer. They were over exposed and this is the best I can get them playing with the Photobucket adjustments.