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When I hear someone say the that FJR is souless or has no character, I don't argue with them. But I do form an opinion that the person probably prefers rap music over Julie London's "Cry me a River" or a diva singing that lovely aria from Madam Butterfly. :rolleyes:

Ooops, I may have just given away my age. :unsure:

 
I take ut none of you have ridden a Multistrada 1200 :assassin:

 
No character? Alot of times "character" means stuff that breaks routinely, or doesn't work exactly right. If that is the case, no the FJR doesn't have much of that. My Honda ST1300 is the ultimate "Has no character" motorcycle. Next to it I find the FJR to have a very distinct and exciting character. Especially that torque monster of a motor, that is character rich. Why would anyone even think that about the FJR and why would you bother to waste any more time out of your life listening to people like that?

 
No character? Alot of times "character" means stuff that breaks routinely, or doesn't work exactly right. If that is the case, no the FJR doesn't have much of that. My Honda ST1300 is the ultimate "Has no character" motorcycle. Next to it I find the FJR to have a very distinct and exciting character. Especially that torque monster of a motor, that is character rich. Why would anyone even think that about the FJR and why would you bother to waste any more time out of your life listening to people like that?
Don't get me wrong, there's a huge price to pay for all the character. How's $4500 for a busted electronic suspension ECU and rear shock after 5000 miles. No thanks, I'll take Japanese engineering every time. MS1200 is a SICK bike though let me tell you!

 
It's bad enough some marketing douche or cycle-rag scribe probably first coined the phrases about bikes having "soul" or "character", they can be somewhat forgiven as it's their job and no one really expects much from them, but when regular riders start complaining this bike or that has no "soul"... well, you've lost all credibility. "Bikes with soul"... it's nothing but a euphemism for bad machinery whose horrible memories have softened or been forgotten over time.

Ever notice those comments about a bike's lack of soul it's typically applied to the most reliable bikes, the kind you just put gas in the tank and new rubber on the rims every ten thousand miles and just ride and ride? Yeah, I'll take that soulless FJR off your hands!

 
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I take ut none of you have ridden a Multistrada 1200 :assassin:
I have not personally, but a friend of mine who owns a older Multi has ridden the 1200 and commented how the 1200 seems to have less character.

Now, a Multi with a Panigale-derived engine, now that would be nice, and less maintenance!

 
I take ut none of you have ridden a Multistrada 1200 :assassin:
I have not personally, but a friend of mine who owns a older Multi has ridden the 1200 and commented how the 1200 seems to have less character.

Now, a Multi with a Panigale-derived engine, now that would be nice, and less maintenance!
If you like having to get the bike to 7k to get to the start of the power.

 
I think all bikes have character, or soul if you will. But it depends on the type of character you want. My thoughts on the FJR character is that it is very robotic, mechanical if you will. You ride the FJR, give it inputs, it does what you want, and typically does them well and it is a difficult bike to outride. But the sound, the feel of everything on the bike from the gear box to the engine frequency is very mechanized. The one thing that has some interesting character to my bike is the gear box. I can feel the difference between every gear shift, they aren't consistent. 1st to 2nd is a long sweep with a thump at the end, 2nd to 3rd is quick and smooth probably the best shift, 3rd to 4th takes more effort than the previous shift and give a positive feedback, and fourth to fifth is felt almost non-existent as if it is a false neutral shift, but has never resulted in that. But I digress.

Other bikes I've ridden are more one with you, less input and more feel. Everything meshes better, less gear meshing sounds, shifting is smooth and concise between every gear, and all feel the same a short quick positive shift.

Only way I can describe it is like spreading butter, the FJR is like spreading cool butter on a cold piece of bread, it gets the job done, takes a little effort. Other bikes are like spreading butter on warm toast, it's smooth and effortless. But the FJR is in fact it is a great ride especially for the weight. I've been on bikes that felt like spreading frozen butter on a crispy saltine, doesn't work right, at all.

We all love our FJRs, I just think that some bikes have a better feel for some than others.

 
Panigale = Race bike

They are just on the wrong side of driveable for the street. I know two people who bought them pre-release. They won't admit their mistake, but they are hoping for "new mapping". I don't think that is a fix.

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My FJR has plenty of character. That would be the rider, me. ;)

More seriously, the reason I don't particularly like Hondas is that they are typically too perfect, too smooth, and have 'no character'. So I guess character really does come from imperfections, or more likely trade-offs or compromises built in from the design, engineering, and manufacturing of the bike. One bit of character that the FJR does not have is a lack of reliability.

 
I see and hear lots of comments on the FJR both here and elsewhere. I think a lot of it has to do with what bikes you have ridden in the past and what your basis for comparison is. Character can point to an unreliable bike but reliable motorcycles can have character as well. I think my bike with the most character was my Suzuki TL1000R. The motor was grunty and it caused giggles every time I rode the thing. In the end though, it was a heavy bike that was shod with Suzuki's failed suspension experiment and pathetic brakes. To get that kind of character in a bike with good suspension, brakes and a low weight meant going with something Italian. In that case, something with character that wasn't as reliable.

Honda's are often touted as having no character and I'd say the FJR is the most Hondaish bike that Yamaha puts out. But that's because it's way more tool than toy I think. Like said before, it's a bike you put gas in and go. There's nothing wrong with that and it's actually a very good thing, nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think it's an exceptional precision tool and one that does it's job VERY well. It chews miles, it's comfortable, it tears up corners, but it doesn't necessarily incite the giggle factor that other bikes have in the past. But those bikes weren't very good tools as well.

A final comparison here, I see the comments on here every so often "Wow, I just traded in my Harley on this new FJR, man this thing is a rocketship!" By that comparison, yes the FJR is a warp factor 9 rocketship. But ride some more sporty bikes and you'll see that the FJR isn't quite the rocketship that some think it to be. By the same comparison, take a sportbike rider and put him on an FJR and he'll comment that the bike is like riding a freaking couch around. A goldwing rider might not have the same opinion of the FJR though.

 
When I hear someone say the that FJR is souless or has no character, I don't argue with them. But I do form an opinion that the person probably prefers rap music over Julie London's "Cry me a River" or a diva singing that lovely aria from Madam Butterfly. :rolleyes:

Ooops, I may have just given away my age. :unsure:
No soul, no character, what a relief. Now I don't have to worry that I am ignoring some worldly presence parked in the garage.

It's just a machine. It's just what I wanted. Now just get out and ride it. I might even put it away wet. :yahoo:

 
What struck me the most about the FJR was how light she felt as soon as she got in motion. At a stand still, its 640 pounds are there and lean the bike over and you will quickly be reminded how heavy she is. But, get the wheels moving and she feels nimble and agile. My first 5 minutes in the saddle made me feel like I had been riding the bike for months. The FJR is a well designed machine and gets the task of riding done with ease. I don't want a finicky/quirky bike to deal with. I need a 2 up bike that offers comfort and when I am alone on the FJR I can still push her hard in the curves and not feel like I am riding a tank. Like someone has said : it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow... perhaps the FJR is a victim of her own capacities, she needs to be pushed hard to get the adrenaline factor up. She's just that good. ;)

 
...My Honda ST1300 is the ultimate "Has no character" motorcycle. Next to it I find the FJR to have a very distinct and exciting character.
Exactly. Both the ST1100 and ST1300 are great "mileage eaters" but should be painted "appliance white." That said, my Dad loves his ST1300. The FJR hauls butt, and anything that does that hits pretty high on the character scale to me.

 
Just returned from my morning ride. Coming in I got behind 3 18wheelers in traffic. No problem. Rolled that motor-scooter on. Was doing 105 mph when I cleared them. Hard to fault the FJ in 60 mph roll-on. Got all the balls (character) I need.

 
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