Jump to content


Photo

FJRF003.1: Ignition Switch


  • Please log in to reply
605 replies to this topic

#61 SouthernCruizer

SouthernCruizer

    Is it Beer:30 yet?

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,264 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eunice, LA
  • 2013A (Gen III) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:24 PM

Just got off the phone with Yamaha...they have not been notified of any recall as of today. Guy told me they usually get a significant heads up lead when a recall is about to happen. He has not been notified yet.


Jay®

2013 Yamaha FJR 1300
2008 Yamaha FJR 1300

2004 Yamaha FJR 1300
2004 Suzuki DL 650 (WeeStrom) & 2007 Kawasaki KLX250S


#62 SouthernCruizer

SouthernCruizer

    Is it Beer:30 yet?

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,264 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eunice, LA
  • 2013A (Gen III) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:28 PM

Here is the action in case some cant get the link. NOTE: no 2008 year models were mentioned in the NHTSA action, but Yamaha is including 2008 and early 2009 models.


**********************************************************************

Recall Campaign 09V002000 has 1 Related Investigation(s)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NHTSA Action Number: EA08025

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s): YAMAHA / FJR13
2007

YAMAHA / FJR1300A
2006

YAMAHA / FJR1300AE
2006


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer:
YAMAHA MOTOR CORPORATION, USA

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Component:
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:SWITCH


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date Investigation Opened:
November 21, 2008

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date Investigation Closed:
January 9, 2009




Summary:
ODI IS AWARE OF AT LEAST 45 ALLEGATIONS OF FJR1300 ENGINE STALLING WHILE UNDERWAY DUE TO AN IGNITION SWITCH FAILURE. IN SOME INSTANCES, CYCLING THE SWITCH WILL ALLOW RE-START. FJRFORUM.COM HAS NUMEROUS THREADS ALLEGING THE SAME ISSUE. SHORTLY AFTER OPENING THIS EA, AND BEFORE RECEIVING A RELATED INFORMATION REQUEST FROM US, YAMAHA DECIDED TO CONDUCT A SAFETY RECALL (09V-002) TO INSTALL NEW IGNITION SWITCHES IN ALL MY 2006-8 AND EARLY MY 2009 FJR1300 MOTORCYCLES. WITH THAT DECISION, THIS INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED.


Jay®

2013 Yamaha FJR 1300
2008 Yamaha FJR 1300

2004 Yamaha FJR 1300
2004 Suzuki DL 650 (WeeStrom) & 2007 Kawasaki KLX250S


#63 Capt. Bob

Capt. Bob

    Bilge pump. A novel idea.

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,287 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tallahassee, FL
  • 2006 ABS (Gen II) World

Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE (Checkswrecks @ Jan 15 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Recognize that this one component that had been successful in this and other products for years was suddenly having a problem.

Bob


Bob,
That first sentence (yes I've taken it out of context) seems to point at everything this Forum has found out about the switch.
Poor solder, wire strain, excessive heat, dirt. A "perfect storm" so to speak either caused by the bike itself or inferior quality switches (changed vendor for cost savings?).

I believe they have the fix in place and were "nudged" by the Feds to get started earlier than they may have wanted.

We shall see.

Capt. Bob


RIP TWN

#64 Shadow

Shadow

    FJR Pilot

  • Members+
  • PipPipPip
  • 278 posts
  • Location:Adelaide, South Australia
  • 2006 ABS (Gen II) World

Posted 15 January 2009 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Ignacio @ Jan 15 2009, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FJRF002 - Throttle Abruptness Issue (Gen II Bikes) (Most use G2 Ergo Throttle Tube)

A pity Yamaha chose to ignore the throttle issue as it did/does affect so many.

No one expects Yamaha to fix the issue by replacing the throttle bodies with 08 ones, all they had to do was to make some plastic throttle tubes with a different cam profile, just like the G2 tube.

Would have been good for customer relations and the tubes would have cost Yamaha next to nothing, a lot cheaper than a G2.
FJR1300A 06
Suzuki GSX1400 K6

#65 dcarver

dcarver

    FJR Forum Post Whore

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,595 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Creston, CA
  • 2006 ABS (Gen II) World

Posted 15 January 2009 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Ignacio @ Jan 14 2009, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (mr.paul @ Jan 14 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bout time yamaha. At least they did react (listening BMW?)

Let's clarify this point because I think it's important to understand how this recall fits into how past FJR issues have been handled.

Yamaha did react to this one because there was the force of government behind it. It being a formal recall wasn't as a result of Yamaha coming to this point all by themselves. I do think it did come to a head though in significant part by the quality research and reporting done by folks like by Barabus. That in turn then made it a more compelling case and more timely in action.

Contrast that with say the BMW final drives. I don't think anybody in their user community did the detailed analysis and reporting that was done on this and they DEFINITELY haven't come even close to concensus. Many BMW folks are still in denial. If they were actually to come to a consensus......they could likely get the same action.

Then also view this on a continuum of resolution scale. This, unfortunately, fits more on the "Yamaha Got Armtwisted Into Having to Do Something" end. I think we'd much rather have been it be on the "Yamaha Did the Right Thing and Proactively Fixed Things" more like the Throttle Position Sensor issue.....or at least the "Yamaha Will Do the Right Thing and Fix Those Bikes That Are Asked By Owners" slot...like the ticker issue.

Sigh. Maybe the next one...... wink.gif

So, in large part I'm saying that this issue is third of four significant issues identified by this forum...with most of them resolved. We should be very proud in what we've done to contribute to the continued health and well-being of a great motorcycle. yahoo.gif

FJRF001 - Valve Ticking / Premature Exhaust Valve Guide Seal Issue (Gen I Bikes) (Fixed since 2006)
FJRF002 - Throttle Abruptness Issue (Gen II Bikes) (Most use G2 Ergo Throttle Tube)
FJRF003 - Ignition Failure (Approaching Resolution)
FJRF004 - Altitude Sickness (2006/2007 Bikes) (Fixed for 2008)

Excellent post, as it provided historical perspective.
I think the entire process worked well:
1. Individuals gathering, researching, documenting, contacting the mfr and governmental agencies.
2. While the mfr may have been, uh, reluctant, the government agency did its job, thus
3. 'Encouraging' the mfr to get off the ball and make things right.

Did it take too much time? IMHO, yes. See Iggies response above.
Am I very happy no has been hurt or killed (that we know of) due to this problem? You betcha.

For me, I'll be getting a new switch, keyed to my bags, and run the Brodie mod. Only makes sense.

Sure seems like a loooong time ago since my switch failed me in Death Valley..
Walked away Posted ImagePosted Image Is it really crashing if you don't fall down?--
I wouldn't change a fucking thing; I've lived hard, played hard, and I ain't done yet. I've paid some severe penalties along the way, but the rewards have been so much greater; even if for just have participating in the game of life with utmost abandon. It's not who rides the furthest in a day, but rather in a lifetime. CBA member #1, IBA #31845 and very proud of both.
Posted Image

#66 happyPuppy

happyPuppy

    FJR Squadron Leader

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 780 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Puget Sound Area, WA
  • Other or considering FJR

Posted 15 January 2009 - 04:41 PM

I think it was more than a nudge, I think it was also the potential liability. They are not the first company in denial, at least publicly. Someone could have been killed. I am sure legal reminded them about it. Some of the "we don't know anything about it companies and ramifications"

Bridestone ( AKA Firestone 500 tire)
Ford ( the exploding tank on the Pinto)
Chevrolet ( Corvair ( launched Ralph Naders career with his book "unsafe at any speed")) I think Yamaha was playing dumb ( plausible deniability) , knew about it and was indeed working on a fix. The Fed came down on them and since the cat was out of the bag had to react. I too have worked at large companies and know how the game is played.

#67 c-zulu

c-zulu

    Training Pilot

  • Members+
  • PipPip
  • 46 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Silver Bay MN
  • 2008 ABS (Gen II) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 05:44 PM

Personally, if some bike shop wankers tried to give me that line of BS I'd let them know that the stuff I read on the internet, specifically here on the FJRForum, has more credibility than they do. Maybe they should get on the internet more often?



Agreed. I know these guys personally but they'll be eating crow soon enough. smile.gif



05 CRF 450X
05 YZF R-1
06 XB12X
08 FJR 1300
08 KINGPIN TOUR

#68 HaulinAshe

HaulinAshe

    FJR Commander

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,944 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dallas, NC
  • 2007 ABS (Gen II) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE (Ignacio @ Jan 15 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(...)However, somebody who is enterprising enough might be able to deduce more specific information by wading through recall information and range it. You wanna volunteer and report back so we can have an answer to this commonly asked question?

If we see any type of physical change to the weep hole, like a scoop-shaped cover, decreased hole size, or fiber pad inside, we'll know for sure that the contaminant/dirt theory applied. But there's no way I'm sawing my new switch in half just to take pics!
smile.gif

The older you are, the faster you used to be.

#69 fjrboomer

fjrboomer

    FJR Pilot

  • Members++
  • PipPipPip
  • 338 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Edmond, OK
  • 2007 ABS (Gen II) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 06:36 PM

As the owner of an 07, I want to add my thanks to all on this forum who have been instrumental in getting this matter addressed sooner rather than later. I am confident that the concerted efforts of those of you who pursued this and documented it has impacted Yamaha's action to occur now instead of much later.

I brought the switch problem up to my dealer a couple of months ago and they denied any knowledge of a problem and at my request they asked their Dist. Rep. and his response was he knew nothiing about it and for me to quit worrying about it and just ride it. Needless to say I was not too impressed with him.

Now we will have to wait and see how long it takes them to send out all the letters and get the new switches to the dealers. Again thanks to all of you and I must say this forum definitely rocks.

#70 Ignacio

Ignacio

    Administrative Idealist

  • Admin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,624 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tri-Cities, WA
  • 2014ES (Gen III) N. America
  • 2005 A (Gen I) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Checkswrecks @ Jan 15 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No question that Yamaha got their priorities shifted by NHTSA and we helped that. But I do think that Yamaha was already on it. YMMV, but I also think that we ought to appreciate that they and NHTSA changed this particular priority before one of us FJR riders got hurt.

More great perspective! We're glad you're here my friend!

Then I would amend my categorization one notch closer to the good end of the spectrum. I guess my scale would ave a new increment. Perhaps this one is "Yamaha Would Have Fixed It, But Got Nudged Into Doing Things More Quickly".

I shall call it the Ignacio's Corporation O' Proactivity Scale ™. wink.gif



Yamaha Did the Right Thing and Proactively Fixed Things
Yamaha Will Do the Right Thing and Fix Those Bikes That Are Asked By Owners
Yamaha Would Have Fixed It, But Got Nudged Into Doing Things More Quickly
Yamaha Got Armtwisted Into A Recall
Send Lawyers, Guns, Money and a Tow Truck....The BMW Final Drive Has Shit the Bed

My LD Blog, IBA #332

2014ES "Deep Thought", 2005 ABS "Heart of Gold", 2005 "Zaphod" & 2013 Husqvarana TR650 Strada "Noxeema"
wfo04.gif through wfo09.gifBMR.jpg150K%2005CLUB.jpg
Seat Review here (click on About Me) or here. Gen 1 LED conversion for instrument lights here and taillights here. Watts of radar detectors and GPS here.
Google Search is your FJRForum friend! Try something like best tire FJR site:fjrforum.com at google.com


#71 BulletBrad

BulletBrad

    Training Pilot

  • Members+
  • PipPip
  • 77 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bloomfield, CT
  • 2007 ABS AE (Gen II) N. America

Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:53 PM

I work at a Yamaha Dealership and will post as soon as Yamaha gets it to us or puts it on the Yamaha Dealer Network. I can tell you as of close of biz today (Jan 15th) we have not been notified as to the recall. I checked our on hand inventory and we had one switch on hand but if Yamaha does like in all past recall issues (Roadstar tranny) they send out special kits to fix the problem. I'll do my best to get you folks any info as soon as I see it here.
2007 FJR1300AE
2008 Piaggio MP3 400EI used to video my FJR
2001 Yamaha Vino 50 for the Grandsons.
1973 Lotus Europa used when the snow is deep ;<)
In the words of a great Vulcan "Live long, PROCRASTINATE"

#72 Barabus

Barabus

    FJR Commander

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,160 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle, WA
  • 2006 ABS (Gen II) World

Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:12 PM

Wow, wow!! Fantastic news. FJRforum.com really handled this one the right way- we collected information and reported it objectively. Everyone deserves major kudos- forum admins, members that participated and the NHSTA. NHSTA worked quickly on this issue. Thankfully nobody got hurt, but the potential for death or serious injury was real. Now this motorcyle will be better than ever.
2006 FJR(a) #212


#73 Brodie

Brodie

    Darksider #16 - and Proud of it !

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,076 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:- Milpitas, CA - San Jose Bay Area
  • 2006 ABS AE (Gen II) World

Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (HaulinAshe @ Jan 15 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (ponyfool @ Jan 15 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(...)I'm looking forward to seeing what the new switch guts look like. Now, if SockMonkey was correct in his assessment, maybe the design is exactly the same, but the soldering process has been corrected.

I'm hoping this is NOT the only aspect of the problem they are targeting. If so, then I'm confident that switch failures will continue to occur.

One of the first rules of troubleshooting is, "If you have a problem that cannot be readily located, you are probably looking for two problems that mask each other."

I'm betting that there were problems BOTH with the soldering attachment points and the weep hole.


Jeff,
I tend to agree with you, the weep hole does let in contaminants. Perhaps the reason there haven't been that many 2008 bikes reporting problems is this is the first winter weather for them - it's just a matter of time now before they start dropping like flies too. When the switch contacts get dirty or corroded they will add resistance to the circuit. There isn't that much contact area to begin with for the amount of amperage channeling through that switch. A dirty switch may be the start of the thermal runaway that takes it out. Hopefully Yamaha took that into consideration when redesigning the unit.

Yes, when I get my recall notice I will obtain the new switch.
I will insist on keeping my bike one key!


Brodie

vader.gif'06 FJR AE #2 - 82k, '06 FJR AE #1 88744 miles, KILLED WAY TOO YOUNG ! '90 Venture Royale - 149k, '82 Ascot Thumper - 128k
I Be Darksiding --- Teaching Faith --- Grounding Harness, and Ignition Relay Harness by Ersatz Electric --- Patriot Guard Rider
One good solid hope is worth a cartload of certainties. - Tom Baker - Dr. Who


#74 ionbeam

ionbeam

    2 FUN

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,934 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sandown, NH
  • 2004 ABS (Gen I) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 06:19 AM

A FWIW post, YMMV.

There are a variety of electrical switch contact styles, the most common types are knife blade, butt action(!), and self cleaning
or self wiping. The FJR ignition switch (IS) is a wiping action switch because the contacts wipe or slide against each other when
opening or closing the IS circuit. This action is intended to inhibit the build-up of non-conductive deposits and oxidation on the
contacts themselves. Typically this kind of contact is used in AC applications. Almost all wiping action contacts have some limitations
on current, voltage and durability -- more on this later.

The pictures below have been shamelessly ripped off from various sources without acknowledgment or consent from the
picture posters.

In the following picture you are looking at the back of the white part of the switch that contains the spring loaded contacts.
At the top of the picture is the housing that has the weep hole. You can see the housing and back of the switch are dirty
but the dirt is on the non-electrical side of the switch and mostly blocked from getting on the switch contacts. The dirt
would have to migrate upward to get into the electrical contact area. In none of the pictures in any of the postings have
I seen dirt on the contacts. Live and in person you may see dirt on the contacts that these pictures don't show.



In the next picture you see the electrical contacts on each half of the switch. On the left side you can see the non moving
copper high current conductors. The nefarious Red and Brown wires are soldered to these contacts on the back of the
black contact retainer.

On the right, the white plastic holds the spring loaded electrical contacts. This is the moving half of the switch that
rotates with the key. The spring loaded contact's job is to bridge between two of the fixed copper terminals
effectively (and sometimes ineffectively) shorting the copper contacts together completing the IS power circuit.
Note the contact at the bottom of the switch is highly heat discolored. [controversial statement 1]
The heat in this contact may be transferred to the highly thermally conductive copper terminal and melt the Red or Brown
wire's solder. [controversial statement 2] Or, the heat melts and distorts the white plastic
contact retainer so that the spring force is inhibited or the contacts do not move up and down exactly vertical causing the
spring loaded contact not to have equal force on the two copper contacts being bridged resulting in resistance and yet more heat.



This is a close-up of the spring loaded contacts. Note the heat discolored contact, a reoccurring theme in most but not all
pictures. The tip of the bumps on the contacts is all the surface area that comes into contact with the copper contacts.
For all the size of the spring loaded contact only a tiny amount of area carries all the IS power, one actual measurement
showed an average of 21 amps. Picture >20 amps going through just the tip of the bump. The spring will impart a strong
seating force between the rotating contact and fixed copper contact. The strong seating force will also facilitate in the
'wiping' action that is supposed to break any copper oxidation and displace any contaminates such as those coming in from
the weep hole. [controversial statement 3] Even if dirt does get on the switch contacts the
wiping action should displace the dirt. When looking at the copper contacts in PICTURES I see no dirt. What would a white
glove inspection reveal?



The next picture is included to show the tracks where the tip of the bumps has wiped the contacts. From the plowed
furrows in the plastic and copper terminals you can see how much force the springs get on the tips of the moving contacts.



The next picture is just another shot that shows dirt on the switch innards let in by the weep hole.



[controversial conclusion] The primary source of IS failure is heat, most likely as the result
of too much current for the tiny contact area of the bumps on the moving contacts. This may be compounded by
insufficient spring force or non-vertical movement of the spring loaded contact. Other contributors may be
soldering problems, the white plastic contact carrier has too low a melting point and heat fatigued springs becoming
too weak to force a solid electrical connection.

Another indicator that excessive current generates excessive heat is Chris's IS failure coming home from EOM. His
external sky-wired toggle switch melted leaving him in a highly safety compromised situation on a congested highway.

Well, the Friday fodder is ready for some bruising.

Bad decisions make for good stories.


#75 Panman

Panman

    FJR Commander

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,688 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Stanwood, WA
  • 2007 ABS (Gen II) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 06:37 AM

ionbeam, good write up. when I worked in the AC field we would check the voltage across the contacts on the big relays. If there was a drop we would change out the relay because if we didn't the componets down the line would fail sooner because of the voltage drop.
Remember half the fun is getting there, and the other half is getting back!

#76 Fred W

Fred W

    Flatus Antiquous

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,997 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Southern NH
  • 2014ES (Gen III) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 06:48 AM

Nice post, Ionbeam. Its good to get all that in one place.
This was my understanding of the problem too. Which brings up a few poignant observations:

Assuming the Gen1 switch is basically the same affair, why so many fewer (if any) confirmed failures of this same type? Considering they have been around longer one would expect the failure rate to be higher if this was contamination based. But that has not been the case. In reality it appears that many of the 2006 MY failures happened quite early in the bike's life. So either the load on the 2nd gen switches is significantly greater or there is some physical difference between the assemblies that makes the 2nd gen switches less robust.

The weep hole seems to allow ingress primarily to the mechanical detent area at the bottom end of the switch assembly. It appears more likely that any contamination of the switch contacts would come from above, perhaps from the lock cylinder area. Perhaps from people lubricating their locks in an attempt at "preventive" maintenance?

-Fred W                 nerd.gif    <----  (Click me!)      We're just getting started...    VisitedStatesMapIcon.jpg


 


#77 ionbeam

ionbeam

    2 FUN

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,934 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sandown, NH
  • 2004 ABS (Gen I) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 06:55 AM

QUOTE
The weep hole seems to allow ingress primarily to the mechanical detent area at the bottom end of the switch assembly. It appears more likely that any contamination of the switch contacts would come from above, perhaps from the lock cylinder area.

I believe that the mechanical top half of the switch is pretty much sealed and isolated from the bottom electrical half of the switch. I had suggested something similar to what you said a couple of years ago (not IS failure related) and was taken to task and edjukated about the way the switch is assembled.


Bad decisions make for good stories.


#78 Fred W

Fred W

    Flatus Antiquous

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,997 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Southern NH
  • 2014ES (Gen III) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:16 AM

QUOTE (ionbeam @ Jan 16 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
The weep hole seems to allow ingress primarily to the mechanical detent area at the bottom end of the switch assembly. It appears more likely that any contamination of the switch contacts would come from above, perhaps from the lock cylinder area.

I believe that the mechanical top half of the switch is pretty much sealed and isolated from the bottom electrical half of the switch. I had suggested something similar to what you said a couple of years ago (not IS failure related) and was taken to task and edjukated about the way the switch is assembled.



OK, I'll take your word for it and consider myself edjukated as I have not had my switch apart. It just appeared that it could happen from this picture:




-Fred W                 nerd.gif    <----  (Click me!)      We're just getting started...    VisitedStatesMapIcon.jpg


 


#79 JamesK

JamesK

    Got to ride

  • Members++
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,515 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tokyo, Japan
  • 2007 ABS (Gen II) N. America

Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:32 AM

Nice write up and summary Ionbeam - thanks.

Again it seems that Brodie's "IS Relay" is the ultimate and permanent fix to this problem (after relieving the zip-tie induced stress on the IS wires), since without a large current flow through the contacts all other direct and indirect factors will become almost insignificant and IMHO will not lead to the IS failure.

TBA 904, IBA 27221

nafo01a.gif sfo09.gif eom09.gif groundspider.jpgTBAAAD500Logo-Sig3.jpg deerstrike1.gif 200K%2007CLUB.jpg
Member, FJR Assistance Directory


#80 bikesniffer

bikesniffer

    FJR Pilot

  • Members++
  • PipPipPip
  • 381 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Europe
  • 2008 ABS (Gen II) World

Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE (phobostx @ Jan 15 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Fred W @ Jan 15 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason your dealers don't know anything about this recall is because as noted here:

QUOTE
The letter from Yamaha N.A. states that the letters to owners and technical bulletin to shops should go out on January 28th.
http://nhthqnwws111....09V002-7020.pdf


...they have not yet been notified. Give them a chance to get the thing out before you condemn them.




I'm willing to give them a chance........but this was Yamaha CORPORATE (US) that told me this


I called Yamaha Corp, in Orange county as well and the woman on the phone told me at first there is no recall on the IS and when I insisted she said that my 2008 bike is not affected by the recall......go figure. It seemed clear to me that she was talking out of a different orifice...

Los Robustos M/C "El Jefe Supremo" for Schweiz, Bayern und Oesterreich Region of European Alps!