Technical Bulletin on 17mpg Issue

[jjsC6]

I could be wrong, but I believe there is a box on the title that gets checked anytime a speedometer is replaced. They could just inform the state, who would then mail out a new title to you with the markings on it to indicate the speedometer/odometer has been replaced.
I guess we won't really know for sure until someone actually gets this done, and then tells us how it worked. So who wants to be first?

That would be cool. Then I would have two titles to my FJR :yahoo:

I may have mine done just so that the everything is working correctly on the motorcycle. I'm kind of queer about that. I think it might depend on how long it takes to replace it. If it can be done while I wait would make a big difference.

 

[GunMD]

Let me say that I really don't care if the next owner knows or not - it's not my nature to deceive people. But my title is sitting in my lock box at home. Exactly how is that information going to get on that title?

If you sell it and fail to disclose the Odo replacement, can't the buyer simply have his/her dealer pull up a history of maintenance on the bike and find out that your bike arrived for a "recall" w/ XXXXX miles on it and left w/ ZERO miles? If I was that buyer I'd be pretty pissed...maybe pissed enough to cry foul.

 

[Metric]

Seems kinda screwy that in this day and age the milage can't be transfered to a new Odometer. Its a simple IC that needs to be powered up and a number put in. I'll probably have to get mine done, the damn speedo needle sticks once in a while. I've been thinking that after a few miles of moving around it would quit, no such luck yet though.

 

[lotecredneck]

Color me confused. When my dash was replaced on the Wing due to the sticking speedometer needle, this was not required. Unplugged the old instrument cluster and plugged in the new. Existing mileage was faithfully re-displayed to it's post IP surgery. Is the FJR memory tied into this digi display v. the main CPU? Isn't this shit all tied together? Will Beverly forgive Wayne his roaming ways? Tune in next week for another addition of As the Feejer Turns, brought to you by the good folks at AMSoil.

The meter when replaced, will have "zero" miles on it. From what I understand, the memory is stored in one of the microprocessors on the meter board.

Tony

 

[shu]

seems to me that this forum will likely still be around when and if you sell your feej. wouldn't be much trouble to point out to a prospective purchaser that this is the reason for the title issue. document your earlier miles and get the fix if you care about it. should cover things.

personally, i did NOT buy this bike for fuel economy. i could care LESS what my MPG is. now if the FUEL GAUGE didn't work i'd be all about getting that fixed. but when it gets down to two bars, i start looking or a station.

as far as real-time mileage goes, i think it goes way up when you cruise at legal speeds in 5th, and way down when you ride all squiddly and stuff. big whoop. besides, when you're twisting your wrist and trying to see how LOW you can make that number go, there are those who would postulate that it might be a good idea to be watching the road.

just my $0.02

shu

 

[TheAxeman]

Kinda of a "bells and whistles" type of feature that doesn't have any useful practical purpose. It would have been alot handier if they had an actual engine temperature reading instead....

 

[dcarver]

I'm getting mine fixed. Hmm. 4k service this Monday. Wonder if local dealer is ready?

 

[BumbleDB]

I had to have my cluster replaced on my 05 due to the tach face bubbling up at 7K miles. After another 8K, it's doing it again. Am I the only one? Anyway, no sticker, no new title. Dealer said that mama yama would know! All else are on their own.

Metric: I thought that too when I replaced the first digital speedo in 85 working for Ford. But then I realized that if they made a programmer to set digital odo's, we'd never be able to get it back from the used car guys. Boy would they be having fun!

 

[jjsC6]

Let me say that I really don't care if the next owner knows or not - it's not my nature to deceive people. But my title is sitting in my lock box at home. Exactly how is that information going to get on that title?

If you sell it and fail to disclose the Odo replacement, can't the buyer simply have his/her dealer pull up a history of maintenance on the bike and find out that your bike arrived for a "recall" w/ XXXXX miles on it and left w/ ZERO miles? If I was that buyer I'd be pretty pissed...maybe pissed enough to cry foul.

Like I said, I have no interest in trying to deceive anyone. You'd have to know me to appreciate how strongly I feel about that. My only questions about the title were out of curiosity - just wondering if they really do have a method for getting that on the title.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that the seller has to write the mileage on the title or something like that (anyone sure?). If so, and it is found that you knowingly put the wrong mileage down, I assume that is where you would be liable.

Like I said, just trying to learn.

 

[Maywannayamaha1300]

simple..just have the dealer write on their letterhead how many miles were on odometer at the time of change. BFD.

Thanks Tony! I want mine fixed.

 

[bmwhd]

Thanks Tony. Not what I wanted to hear but not unexpected either.

I'd bet big money that Yamaha could set the mileage on the new cluster at the factory like Harley and other OEMs do if they wanted to. They're just taking the less expensive path since pre-loading the new odo requires down time during the swap.

 

[jimbemotumbo]

Yamaha is just being cheap. If the ODO is digital, the data is stored in a memory chip. That memory CAN be changed so the mileage CAN be transferred from old to new unit. Retain documentation of the swap, like a notice from Yamaha or a dealer stamp in your maint record. No Title problems. No warning flags for future buyers.

When I put a custom dash in my truck I took the old and new units in to a speedo shop. They transferred the mileage and gave me a statement showing serial numbers of dash units and the before and after mileage on each. DMV had no problem with it.

Yamaha is taking the low road on this. The incremental cost diff of new display w/ or w/out transfer has to be insignificant on 1400 units.

 

[Cnqwst]

I'd already talked to the mechanic at the local yami shop. He said I would probably hear about the fix on this forum before he would from Yamaha. I think I'll go for the fix, I can deal w/ the title amendment better than the 17mpg on the bike.

bob

 

[Metric]

Metric: I thought that too when I replaced the first digital speedo in 85 working for Ford. But then I realized that if they made a programmer to set digital odo's, we'd never be able to get it back from the used car guys. Boy would they be having fun!

I see what you're saying, I guess I still disagree though.

 

[Woodstock]

I'd make sure I rode in with exactly 5,000 or 10,000 or something like that on the odo.

 

[jestal]

The dash unit should be able to be re-programmed so that the original odo mileage could be transferred to the new one...but....if Yamaha divulged how to do that to the field and provided the necessary tools it would immediately leave them vulnerable to people reprogramming odometers so show lower miles. Once the cat was out of the bag on how to program or re-program the units and the tools were out there it would be impossible to control it so Yamaha is just cutting their losses and not resetting the units requiring replacement to protect the rest of the odometers out there.

 

[Metric]

I just thought of something. When I was installing my speedo healer on my FZ6 I was able make the speedo max out its reading (ie, read 299 mph or what ever it was....some sort of set up or test) It wouldn't take long to throw a bunch of miles onto a new Odo doing something like that. And you wouldn't even have to start the engine.

Now all we have to do is have everyone chip in an a speedo healer and then pass it around!

 

[chickey191]

I'm way over due for the 4k service - (which I'll do myself) - but probably the next full service I will have them fix this on my bike. Not so much because I need it - but because it is supposed to work. The title/odo thing is no big deal - you have to attest to a ODO reading when you sell a bike - and it would be easy enough to document what the ODO was when it was changed, so that is no big deal - unless you happen to have 20k on the bike already.

the only real hassle will be when you take a bike in for service and tell them you want a 20k service done, but they only see 15k on the odo - and some dink decides that you really meant the 15 service (making these numbers up) - so you will have to be clear with them EVERY time you take a bike in for something.

You paid for this feature when you bought the bike - so IMHO - you should get this feature.

 

[Pappy]

I have an instantaneous MPG gage in my Acura. At first I thought it was the cat's meow but now, 10k later, I could care less about it. If you think about it, it's a pretty useless piece of data. I use the avg to keep track of maintenance issues so, if I had an '06, I'd just leave it be. Chickey's example would one very good reason to leave it alone.

Pappy

 

[temp357]

How much will yamaha give us to NOT fix it? I'll take an extra $300 bux rebate for it!