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dustyrains

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I live in Oregon, but have lived in Washington and ride in Washington a lot. For several years now, I have been noting that WDOT, as opposed to ODOT, has been putting signs up warning motorcyclists of various types of road hazards esp. in construction zones. I really appreciate this extra effort by a government entity to reduce motorcycle accidents WITHOUT mandating more rules or equipment requirements for riders. See this link for a pdf file of a memorandum put out by WDOT. Interesting reading. Wish Oregon would do it. Any other forum members live in a state that does this?

 
You mean like this:

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I saw a bunch of these signs in Idaho.

 
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I agree it is really important. Today and W. WA it was beautiful and everyone was riding. However lack of signs is common as well. I had to help a guy get his CBR out of the bushes after he lowsided into a turn due to dried mud. His poor bike looked like a belt sander had been taken to it.

 
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I think WSDOT got a hell of a price on bulk purchase of those signs. Everywhere I've gone in the last year they had those signs out in triplicate. Gotta keep the highway crews from napping on the job.

 
Problem is they put those signs out whether there's a genuine motorcycle hazard or not in all construction areas that a cone might appear.......desensitizing riders like "Wet Floor" signs left up all day hours after the floor actually dired. They're generally put anywhere a cone might be put up and then the occasionally miss a real hazard.

I think they're a waste of money and make motorcycle riders look like coddled pussies to the general public.

But, that's just my opinion. ;)

 
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You mean like this:

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I saw a bunch of these signs in Idaho.

Exactly, Ig. That sign is so general it's meaningless. Motorcyclists should ALWAYS use extreme caution, and they all know it already. I'd prefer a sign that said "Big Hole in the Road Ahead" or "Oil Slick at Next Intersection." Now THAT would be helpful.

 
If you ask me, this is just a CYA measure.

When we lived in the PNW we saw these all over too, and eventually ignored them because they are put up all the time when there are no hazards.

 
The first time I saw that sign I was very alert while riding through the area, looking for the big hazard. There wasn't one. Maybe a sign that just said 'Motorcycles Use Care' or something like that would be better, and save the 'Extreme' signs for extreme hazards. I have seen signs that say 'Motorcycles Use care' or something like that in the easter states.

I also had a flag person make me turn around, go back about 10 miles, and take a detour around some construction rather than let me go through with the 4 wheelers. I think that was Montana, but I'm not sure.

 
If you ask me, this is just a CYA measure.
When we lived in the PNW we saw these all over too, and eventually ignored them because they are put up all the time when there are no hazards.

IIRC some law maker got it passed a few years ago after he drove through a pothole in a construction zone and damaged a wheel.

I agree with Iggy, they are a waste. Look ahead an know your surroundings when you ride/drive. They serve no real purpose. When you see the "construction work ahead" sign, that is your notice that there may be unusual road conditions ahead.

 
An excerpt from the memo:

"Adding these signs ... will minimize liability for the WSDOT and its contractors, and potentially reduce motorcycle accidents in work zones."

So it's potential liability first, safety second, but only potentially.

 
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Devil's Advocate position -

- A reminder to stay alert isn't a bad thing

- Many tourists ride/drive the PNW - it maybe the first time they've seen the sign and have a moment of ephiphany

- Something to remind/alert the numb driver is better than nothing!

- I don't agree the sign is ineffective due to its common theme - brakelights, stoplights, Hooters signs, are all common, and we see them...

 
I have to agree with dcarver. The signs do get repetitive and are not specific enough about the road hazard, but I can see myself appreciating them running at night down a road unfamiliar to me. The stretch of I5 between Castle Rock and Longview WA was being overhauled all last summer, with one lane then the other being raised, resulting in edge traps not easy to see at night. Even though I was using that stretch of road a lot, I did appreciate the reminder to be extra cautious. Well at least I didn't resent it.

 
If you ask me, this is just a CYA measure.
When we lived in the PNW we saw these all over too, and eventually ignored them because they are put up all the time when there are no hazards.

IIRC some law maker got it passed a few years ago after he drove through a pothole in a construction zone and damaged a wheel.

I agree with Iggy, they are a waste. Look ahead an know your surroundings when you ride/drive. They serve no real purpose. When you see the "construction work ahead" sign, that is your notice that there may be unusual road conditions ahead.
Ok, here is how the signs got started. I wrote to WRRA (Washington Road Riders Association), primarily a politcal action group. Below is the text of my question and their answer.

[SIZE=10pt]On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Ron Blood wrote:[/SIZE]

> Did WRRA play a significant role in getting the state to put up the "Motorcycles Use Extreme Caution" signs? What got that rolling? Thanks for any history on this. Ron.

Ron,

The Washington Road Riders Association was the prime mover of the issue to require the "Motorcycles Use Extreme Caution" signs. The driving issue behind the project was the inordinate number of fatalities on I-82 during a repaving project. Up to 5 deaths could be attributed to sudden extreme drops (4") in the pavement level. While a 4" drop is inconvenient and uncomfortable to an automobile, you can imagine the potential for catastrophe with a motorcycle.

Once we had identified the problem to DOT we debated with them and cajoled them for a year before we finally resorted to introducing legislation. Even with the sponsorship of the chair of Senate Transportation it was still a battle. The agency still opposed the measure to the bitter end.

Does this help to answer your questions?

V/R

"Texas " Larry Walker

Government Relations Specialist

Washington Road Riders Association

[email protected]

360-271-9285

 
You mean like this:

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I saw a bunch of these signs in Idaho.

Exactly, Ig. That sign is so general it's meaningless. Motorcyclists should ALWAYS use extreme caution, and they all know it already. I'd prefer a sign that said "Big Hole in the Road Ahead" or "Oil Slick at Next Intersection." Now THAT would be helpful.
For this scene how about "Caution: Horse trailer detatched from fifth wheel pickup truck ahead" :lol:

 
The Washington Road Riders Association was the prime mover of the issue to require the "Motorcycles Use Extreme Caution" signs. The driving issue behind the project was the inordinate number of fatalities on I-82 during a repaving project. Up to 5 deaths could be attributed to sudden extreme drops (4") in the pavement level. While a 4" drop is inconvenient and uncomfortable to an automobile, you can imagine the potential for catastrophe with a motorcycle.
. . . Even with the sponsorship of the chair of Senate Transportation [introducing legislation to put up these signs] was still a battle. The agency still opposed the measure to the bitter end.
That's freaking unbelievable. A four-inch difference in pavement levels (I assume between lanes) that would flip an unwary motorcyclist like a spatula, FIVE DEATHS during a repaving project, and after a YEAR of negotiation these weak-assed signs finally go up, STILL over the opposition of the state DOT? What possible reason could they have had to oppose putting up some warning signs? And why something so general? What would have been wrong with signs saying "Warning Sharp Grade Change Between Lanes" or something that would actually help. Like from the first day paving started.

Anyway, what Ig said about those generic signs "desensitizing riders like "Wet Floor" signs left up all day hours after the floor actually dried," it's true. Like those darn "Wet Paint" signs. That's why I always check for myself. ;)

 
You mean like this:

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I saw a bunch of these signs in Idaho.
As a native of the State, I'd like to clarify. Typically, when I see this sign, I pull over, trade my Teva's for boots, put on gloves and a helmet, and start REALLY paying attention. It's really saved my ass a few times :lol:

 
In Cali they have electronic signs on some freeways to post up messages, amber alerts etc. The latest one near me said, "Caution look twice for motorcycles, they share the road too." But of course, they are still driving crazy as ever here. Sorry I don't have a pic. PM. <>< :unsure:

 
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The Washington Road Riders Association was the prime mover of the issue to require the "Motorcycles Use Extreme Caution" signs. The driving issue behind the project was the inordinate number of fatalities on I-82 during a repaving project. Up to 5 deaths could be attributed to sudden extreme drops (4") in the pavement level. While a 4" drop is inconvenient and uncomfortable to an automobile, you can imagine the potential for catastrophe with a motorcycle.
. . . Even with the sponsorship of the chair of Senate Transportation [introducing legislation to put up these signs] was still a battle. The agency still opposed the measure to the bitter end.
That's freaking unbelievable. A four-inch difference in pavement levels (I assume between lanes) that would flip an unwary motorcyclist like a spatula, FIVE DEATHS during a repaving project, and after a YEAR of negotiation these weak-assed signs finally go up, STILL over the opposition of the state DOT? What possible reason could they have had to oppose putting up some warning signs? And why something so general? What would have been wrong with signs saying "Warning Sharp Grade Change Between Lanes" or something that would actually help. Like from the first day paving started.

Anyway, what Ig said about those generic signs "desensitizing riders like "Wet Floor" signs left up all day hours after the floor actually dried," it's true. Like those darn "Wet Paint" signs. That's why I always check for myself. ;)
If I see new ones in Washington on one of my regular rides, I pay attention. It seems there are new projects popping up everywhere. I don't buy the notion that these signs are not useful to motorcyclists. I saw one today on MLK in Portland due to the construction of the streetcar project. I was in my car and the pavement was rough as hell. Not a big problem in my car, but good to know if riding on two wheels. I did not think ODOT ever used them, and so I stand corrected on that point.

 
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