Will Yamaha address the Ignition Failures

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Wolfhound - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.

TurboDave - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.

dragonchef - 2007 bike - ignition switch failure.

TheAxeman - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.

My original question stands....

Have we had any *confirmed* black bikes with this problem here on forum? If there are... I want to hear about it.
Because I will be holding some discussions with some of my ferrets in Cypress about this issue (and others) in the very near future.

Who has a 2008 bike with this classic ignition failure? :unsure:
 
The answer to the initial question is "yes," Yamaha has to address the ignition failures with a fix or tell why they will not do so. Both NHTSA and corporate Yamaha are aware of the problem and in communication. The reason I can tell you this much and that Yamaha can't simply ignore the issue is because NHTSA opened an official investigation in August. This was mentioned previously in at least one prior thread.

Working with vehicle safety from another part of the Gummint, I can tell you that once these investigations get underway there are a lot of "intellectual rights" regulations and restrictions on us. Nobody at NHTSA will be able to tell you what is going on, even if you find them and no matter how badly you plead. These things happen at a level that a district rep or dealer just won't be aware of, so the District Rep probably replied as honestly as he could find out. However, once resolved by ANY means, a summary of the investigation results must be made public due to the freedom of information laws. Working with the same restrictions, I can tell you that the rules can make cases a pain to work on, but as a regular person, I'm glad to know they exist. At the same time, there is just nothing more that any of us in internet-land can do, with the following HUGE exception:

As mentioned many times now, the one thing that you can do if you have a failure is to go to www.safercar.gov (NHTSA's web-site) to get your problem recorded. Especially if you know of a 2008, log your failures!!!

The official NHTSA investigation only opened 3 months ago because so few people had logged their problems before that. Thanks to Barabus and the forum admins, NHTSA now has a stack of history to work with. My guess and the normal process would be for Yamaha to properly define the problem technically, do lab-work on failed parts, see how much of the fleet is affected, etc. IF they think this is bad enough to need to be addressed, the normal next steps would be to develop a design change, order parts for an estimated 20,000 motorcycles, figure out installation logistics, etc. Yamaha has been pretty good at responding to problems with ECUs, throttle position sensors, cracking top-case racks, etc, so I'd say they deserve a chance, especially now that they have NHTSA watching and the company knows that their results will be made public.

I have one of the affected 2007s, know how the system works from the inside, know how to find what is visible, & even know somebody involved. No matter which way this case gets closed, there is a group of us who will know fast, so the issue won't disappear and the results will ultimately get posted.

If you want an interim fix or are nervous in the mean-time, I think Brodie deserves a LOT of credit for developing a plug-n-play relay assembly, and especially for posting plans that just about anybody could follow in an evening.

Bob

 
Checkswrecks ~ Thanks for the clarification from the "inside perspective" of one who works in the system.

As the owner of an 06, you can believe I'm interested in the solution!

I agree that the plug-n-play harness that Brodie has developed is a huge step in the right direction, and he deserves kudos for his efforts in designing this, and then sharing his knowledge with us.

The only thing that continues to bother me is the simple fact that there appear to be multiple failure modes, and even though Brodie's harness and relay are well designed and elegant, we don't know for sure at this point if it is going to solve the problem. Only time will tell...

Any further news you can glean and disclose without putting your job at risk will be appreciated by all!

Don

 
...I agree that the plug-n-play harness that Brodie has developed is a huge step in the right direction, and he deserves kudos for his efforts in designing this, and then sharing his knowledge with us.
The only thing that continues to bother me is the simple fact that there appear to be multiple failure modes, and even though Brodie's harness and relay are well designed and elegant, we don't know for sure at this point if it is going to solve the problem. Only time will tell...
One possible failure mode is dirt in the contacts, obviously Brodie's relay won't fix this. Other theorized failure modes are cold solder, mechanical stress from tie-wraps being too tight, solder melting due to heat and plastic parts deforming due to heat.

Credible people, some that preface their opinion by stating their qualifications first, say the problem is bad soldering. With the same lack of parts for evaluation as the cold solder people, I'm in the heat camp. The Axeman had his ignition switch bypassed with a toggle switch which melted just before EOM. Then he had wires melt on the way home from EOM which provides some persuasive evidence that at least *some* failures are heat related. I’ve seen Axe’s FJR and I don’t believe that his farkles have anything to do with his ignition switch woes, nor did I see any electrical issues that may have contributed to his problems.

If the failures have heat as the root cause, then the Brodie Bypass will solve the problem. If the problem is soldering, tie-wraps and/or mechanical problems with the switch contacts, the problems will reoccur. We should know more once we have an installed base group of Brodie Bypasses

 
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If the failures have heat as the root cause, then the Brodie Bypass will solve the problem. If the problem is soldering, tie-wraps and/or mechanical problems with the switch contacts, the problems will reoccur. We should know more once we have an installed base group of Brodie Bypasses
Precisely so. Let us keep a close eye on this situation... so we can provide the good folks at Cypress with some useful (if anecdotal) field data... ;)

 
Wolfhound - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.TurboDave - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.

dragonchef - 2007 bike - ignition switch failure.

TheAxeman - 2006 bike - ignition switch failure.

My original question stands....

Have we had any *confirmed* black bikes with this problem here on forum? If there are... I want to hear about it.
Because I will be holding some discussions with some of my ferrets in Cypress about this issue (and others) in the very near future.

Who has a 2008 bike with this classic ignition failure? :unsure:
I looked at the number of miles at which failure occurred for 06s (average 17.8K miles) and 07s (11.5K) link so maybe an additional question to ask is how many 08s are in the zone -- 10K - 20K miles.

 
I looked at the number of miles at which failure occurred for 06s (average 17.8K miles) and 07s (11.5K) link so maybe an additional question to ask is how many 08s are in the zone -- 10K - 20K miles.
My 08 is a little over 10K. No problems. Key doesn't get warm. Everything so far is A-OK. :good:

I hope I didn't just jinx myself.... :dribble:

 
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