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CAJW

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Let me preface this rant in clarifying that I HATE wires,hate em'. Rant on - I'd used a Collett Communicator for about 6 years with varying degrees of success in getting a decent balance of VOX two way communications, bike to bike and so so helmet speakers that I played my GPS MP3 unit through with wires. Their units worked ok, but needed "freshening up" about every 2 years or so, but since only shipping was involved, it was tolerable. About a year ago, I learned that Collett had gone Tango Uniform and was no longer available to supply parts or repairs. Ever since, I've been researching radios to meet my specs as I've committed aviation for many years and know how a good VOX system is supposed to work. My closest hit to this mark was the Collett, but since they're gone I've been looking for a replacement. I have a list of wants that many units out there possess maybe 50-75% of these characteristics, but none of any I've researched seem to hit the bulls eye. I thought I'd found the unit that closest meets my requirements in the Chatterbox, but sadly after trying out their latest and greatest today, I'm throwing in the towel and going back to a Campbells' soup can and string!

The X1 Slim seemed like a good fit, but alas, it clips conversations as the VOX won't open without shouting, even with max sensitivity, then it holds the mic open for about 3 -5 seconds which is long enough to make me forget what I was going to tell the wife! The speaker sound quality is crap, distorted and then a triple tone starts going off to indicate a phone call is coming in, even when the phone is turned off! This annoying tone continues until you turn off the unit and reboot. In 5 attempts, I got one ph call to work, only change was I turned the unit off and rebooted. The wife's unit did the same thing whereas she had to turn her's off due to the same annoying tones continuing. We tried different channels, settings etc.. but no consistency in operation. Music played via bluetooth from my phone was ok, but when I piped it in from my GPS, it was so distorted that it was unrecognizable as was many of the clipped conversations with the Mrs. so the X1 Slim is going back. This is after I'd spent many hours fiddling with their lower priced model the Xbi2 which paired up better and worked better with my 2820, but the wind noise and lack of an adjustable VOX killed that unit's contention so back it went. I'd already sent the Xbi2 back directly to Chatterbox to assure it was up to factory specs, but the wind noise and echo in both headsets persisted. I was told that the echo in the side tone was normal, but I told the tech that is NOT normal and was a fault of their unit if that is how they designed it to work. As one can see, (if you're still reading this) I'm a tad peeved that we can send a man to the moon in 1969 with a Commodore 64 as his wingman, but we can't get a BT radio set up to work on a motorcycle. WTF!!!!

Here's my list that really shouldn't be that difficult to attain in one unit and I'm sure that the 2 wheeled public would beat a path to whoever s door that produced such a product. All the riders who have different units (or even the Chatterbox) and like them, I'm happy for ya, guess I'm just spoiled using aircraft quality avionics for 20 years. One would think that type of technology would find it's way into our 2 wheel world, but alas, I'm still looking. Maybe one of the forum's techno types would like to tackle this, but it's nuts that this technology isn't in one package by now. If I've missed something on the market that satisfies the list below, please let me know!

Rant off-

List of requirements.

Waterproof/ rugged enough for dual sport use (short rubber duck antenna etc..)

Able to communicate with FRS/GMRS

Blue tooth to include stereo connections to phone, gps/mp3 player, with additional input for Radar

5 mile range

Adjustable VOX, with no need to toggle between music or ICS, which would be active all the time

Li-po battery (replaceable), with 10 hr. talk time

BT (wireless) ICS (intercom system)

Music mute when ICS, ph call or GPS directions activated

Share stereo music between rider & pillion and/or separate music inputs

AVRCP (Audio/Video Remote Control Profile)

Stereo BT compatible with Droid, Iphone, Blackberry, etc.. and wide range of GPS units

Software upgrade via usb port

Selectable audio priority, i.e. RD overlays phone call, which trumps ICS or music. Ability to change priority.

12 V charger capable of charging while unit is in use.

Unlimited number of units on frequency

U.S. Manufacturer with good Customer Service

3 + year warranty

3.5mm jack for using earbuds if desired, plug and play headsets, (ideally noise cancelling)

Tactile buttons, Operable with gloved hand

Small profile unit, easily detachable, self contained (with internal battery) mounted to helmet

Infinitely adjustable volume, from 0 to 10 linear in adjustment

Quality speakers that fit in small ear pockets afforded in helmets, i.e. Shoei

Did I mention, NO WIRES?

 
Hi CAJW,

sorry mate this is so far over my head. I only just ordered my cans and string.

Hope you find the answer and then share.

Best regards

Surly

:ph34r:

 
I liked the Autocom and Baehr wired systems, and Autocom does have a BT setup but they aren't made in the US, so you can't buy it.

 
Just looked up Collett recently and it looks like they've resurfaced. A while back, their web page indicated that there were problems. Shortly after, the site had everything marked as out of stock and now it appears they are back to normal (whatever normal is). It might be worth a call to them before you order anything.

https://www.collett.mb.ca/

 
CAJW Old Buddy: As soon as you find a really good helmet to helmet communication system, please let your senile friend Papa Chuy know what it is. Before NAFO, I have to get a helmet to helmet system for my Son Seth and I. Seth gets so damn mad at me when we ride, he has perfect hearing and I cannot hear for shit. He will want to tell me something he feels is important and he becomes infuriated that I cannot understand him; I cannot blame him either, as I would not like that as a passenger pillion also!

When Miss Donna and I go riding together, it's a TOTAL hearing fiasco. We're both mid-sixties aged and we can't even begin to hear each other on any of my bikes. Post me or call me when you have a recommendation: [email protected] 480-440-4666

 
Paging King Richard.....Mr. Richard to the white courtesy phone please....Uhm....er...Fairlaner, this is an excellent opportunity for you to chime in with what you're running for a BT comm system.

IIRC, it's an autocomm system with BlueTooth to the helmet, so there may be wires from the devices to the comm unit while the helmet is BT but I'm not an engineer nor have I ever played one.

 
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Does a SENA system have what you need?

I know some people pair to phones and GPS with that crap. I just use it as a rider/rider intercom...or a rider/pillion intercomm.

SENA

 
Does a SENA system have what you need?

I know some people pair to phones and GPS with that crap. I just use it as a rider/rider intercom...or a rider/pillion intercomm.

SENA
Wow. That looks really great. Especially the SR10 radio adapter. I guess if you have a full face helmet you would want to go with the SMH5

Does anybody have one of these critters?

7X

 
I have never owned a bike comm system, but am planning to get one soon. I am looking at the Scala G4 Powerset. Does most of what you are asking. Over 1 mile range, not 5 though. From the research I have done, this looks to be the best BT system out there.

 
Paging King Richard.....Mr. Richard to the white courtesy phone please....Uhm....er...Fairlaner, this is an excellent opportunity for you to chime in with what you're running for a BT comm system.

IIRC, it's an autocomm system with BlueTooth to the helmet, so there may be wires from the devices to the comm unit while the helmet is BT but I'm not an engineer nor have I ever played one.
And Starcom makes such a system (though, IIRC, there are 2 or 3 helmet BT components that it pairs with and I'm unsure Starcom makes that component). Can't say about the Autocom, but when the Starcom BT was discussed on this board and I calculated the cost, it was somewhere around $1000 for pilot and pillion, IIRC.

If you're talking about someone developing a product to your specs, I think that's a long shot, at best. First, you're talking about engineering, when, as you've already discovered, what we do nowadays to "satisfy" consumer demand is marketing. Second, it'd have to be made in China to have a sufficient profit margin, and well, I know we'd both be wishing for the good ole days of "made in USA" quality.

 
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I ran an Autocomm wired system for a few years, until the jacks wore out on the base station. I have since swapped over to the Sena SMH-10, with the ear set clamp. Recently, the 3.5mm jack for my earbuds wore out (I use it daily), and I have the clamp back to Sena for a warranty replacement. In the meantime, I have been using the standard speaker clamp. I have had two issues with the speakers: 1) Fidelity; they are lacking on high frequency response 2) Comfort; getting them close enough to my ears for "best" sound quality means that they are pressing on my ears under my helmet. For longer rides, I would have incredibly sore ears due to the constant pressure. I actually have another issue right now, but is related to the custom ear plugs I got as a freebie bonus when I had my earbuds done; the left ear plug doesn't seal as well as the right, so it throws the stereo balance off. My replacement clamp is supposed to be here Monday, and I plan on purchasing a spare clamp as well.

For the most part, the Sena does hit most of the OPs design parameters, but I can't think of any one device that hits them all...

 
I've had the Sena SMH10 for a couple of months now and love it. Though I haven't used it yet for rider-to-rider (haven't installed the second unit yet) nor do I have the optional bt radio add-on.

I have used it to pair with my cell and zumo (with xm radio) together. I receive gps aural alerts, enjoy the xm radio and are able to place and receive phone calls quite well. I have a Shoei Multitec. The speakers fit fine and the best mic position I found is between my lips and chin (though it is fairly snug with this helm).

Battery life has been good. I went on a spontaneous 5hr ride after work one day last week (knowing I hadn't charged the unit in a while), but it lasted for the whole ride.

Volume is good, depending on conditions. Most of the time I have to turn it down, except perhaps in high-speed or high-wind conditions.

My only occassional complaint is that (sometimes) it takes a couple of minutes before the pairings become active once I power everything up. Most of the time everything is active (and recognized) right away, but just once in a while I have to reselect the source devices, or wait for the xm radio to start playing. The latter perhaps because of satellite acquisition due to my location but not really sure.

Also, my 40 mile commute is often in the rain (Seattle) and I have not had any issues thus far.

The Sena has been my only experience with bike communications so far and has been a good one. I read numerous reviews from this and other sites and talked to others about their devices and experiences before deciding on the Sena. So far it feels like a good decision. I will be interested to see how it does during the 2012 season, especially having signed up for the 2012 Dam tour. :)

 
I have been to the Sir Richard graduate school of Autocom, and tuition is about $1000. You can have it all, but it's going to cost you. I use an Autocom Pro AVI control unit that mixes radar, GPS/XM, digital music (iPhone), iPhone via BT in the GPS and a Kenwood TK3101 radio. I happen to input that to the helmet using a coiled wire cable with a headset 3.5mm monitor plug in it. So this meets all the specs you listed. If I were to add this BT module, all of that could be delivered to the helmet without the wire.

The best current deal for a comparable setup will set you back $389 for the newest Autocom Pro Automatic receiver with two headsets, stereo leads and some other nice stuff. ,plus that $179 BT module, and you will need some fancy priced isolation leads for the radar and GPS at about $100 each. The Kenwood radios vary in price from 60-120 each depending on the deal you find, and you might get a blade antenna to go with it,. and I strongly recommend the $80 PTT for the radio.

Once the bugs are worked out the system is simply spectacular in performance. Channels are muted in priority to give the telephone first priority, radar second, Bike to Bike radio third, GPS fourth and music fifth. The system can run on full VOX and does s decent job, but I have found the bike to bike communications are much better with a PTT (push to talk). This frees up the telephone to be VOX without transmitting to other bikes. This system ties all the components together using cables, but with the BT module can deliver the sound to the helmet wirelessly.and in stereo. Contrary to some discussion above, Autocom can be purchased and supported in the U.S. but there is very little competition, and even used components are expensive.

 
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I use the Sena SMH10 with the ear-bud clapm in my fullface helmet. The communication between riders is great, and it runs my music and phone. If I'm doing a really long day, I plug the unit into the bike at gas stops. It has run for 17 hours at a time without issue.

If its not charged at stops, it will go from 10-12 hours. It is a hellavua lot cheaper than an autocom...

 
Is it true the Sena comms are only capable of 1 bike to another or rider to pillion? Thats what makes the Scala G4 great is the ability to link 3 bikes or 4 rider/pillions. I usually ride with 2 other riders/buddies and the 3-way will be needed. I hear the Scala G9 is due out this Summer with the ability to add 8 riders in full duplex. https://blog.revzilla.com/2011/11/cardo-scala-rider-g9-powerset.html

 
Is it true the Sena comms are only capable of 1 bike to another or rider to pillion? Thats what makes the Scala G4 great is the ability to link 3 bikes or 4 rider/pillions. I usually ride with 2 other riders/buddies and the 3-way will be needed. I hear the Scala G9 is due out this Summer with the ability to add 8 riders in full duplex. https://blog.revzilla.com/2011/11/cardo-scala-rider-g9-powerset.html
Not sure what you mean, but you can link to 3 or 4 other units (don't remember for sure). You can only talk to one at a time, but you can definatley link to more than one other unit. When Patch and I rode to NC, we were linked to eachother, Fubar and Cougar8000 for our rides.

 
The SENA unit is definitely NOT a radio where everybody can listen into every broadcast. You can pair with up to 4 riders at a time with the unit I have...linitation on distance is usually line of sight in twisty country and about half mile or so in open country. It is not a radio...but I can't afford one of those.

Most often, I am just travelling LD with only one or two other riders and we aren't beyond the lints from each other. It is quite helpful during "group rides" when leading to be linked up and have comms with another rider to determine whether there are any issues in the group. The SENA does everything I need/want it to do.

I bought mine from a forum member - Alex/Cougar8000, who did everything to make it a good purchase for me.

 
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